Please list all the translation errors in the PJ files

[Brietta]

Carol Tranmer collaborated in making an efit of the person she saw from her aunt's balcony.  This was sent to Portugal and returned to Britain along with the statement she made to the Portuguese police for information when making a rogatory statement.

Somewhere along the line it would seem that the efit sent with her statement was not the efit which had been sent to Portugal for inclusion with her statement.

Now whether that could be considered to be of no importance or not is all a matter of opinion.  But it does illustrate that mistakes are made and each mistake has the potential to disrupt a chain of evidence.


**snip
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'

CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.

DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.

CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.

DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.

Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'

CT'The hair is right. More or less.

DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.

CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.

DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...

CT'The top, his head is...

DC1485'The same.

CT'Yes.

DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'

CT'Well, he had a long face.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'Yes, this, this you know.

DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.

CT'No, certainly it is not.

DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.

CT'Is this what they sent'

DC1485'Yes.

CT'This I made'

DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'

CT'No, a young person, humm...

DCc1485'Male'

CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.

DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'From Reading.

DC1485'Yes, from Reading.

CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.

DC1485'Okay, sure.

CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.

DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

Carol Tranmer collaborated in making an efit of the person she saw from her aunt's balcony.  This was sent to Portugal and returned to Britain along with the statement she made to the Portuguese police for information when making a rogatory statement.

Somewhere along the line it would seem that the efit sent with her statement was not the efit which had been sent to Portugal for inclusion with her statement.

Now whether that could be considered to be of no importance or not is all a matter of opinion.  But it does illustrate that mistakes are made and each mistake has the potential to disrupt a chain of evidence.


**snip
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'

CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.

DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.

CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.

DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.

Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'

CT'The hair is right. More or less.

DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.

CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.

DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...

CT'The top, his head is...

DC1485'The same.

CT'Yes.

DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'

CT'Well, he had a long face.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'Yes, this, this you know.

DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.

CT'No, certainly it is not.

DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.

CT'Is this what they sent'

DC1485'Yes.

CT'This I made'

DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'

CT'No, a young person, humm...

DCc1485'Male'

CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.

DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'From Reading.

DC1485'Yes, from Reading.

CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.

DC1485'Okay, sure.

CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.

DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

I am sure police forces throughout the world sleep better at night in the knowledge that whatever may happen they can depend on the expert long stops, afforded by fora such as this, to save the day.

[G-Unit]

Carol Tranmer collaborated in making an efit of the person she saw from her aunt's balcony.  This was sent to Portugal and returned to Britain along with the statement she made to the Portuguese police for information when making a rogatory statement.

Somewhere along the line it would seem that the efit sent with her statement was not the efit which had been sent to Portugal for inclusion with her statement.

Now whether that could be considered to be of no importance or not is all a matter of opinion.  But it does illustrate that mistakes are made and each mistake has the potential to disrupt a chain of evidence.


**snip
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'

CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.

DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.

CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.

DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.

Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'

CT'The hair is right. More or less.

DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.

CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.

DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...

CT'The top, his head is...

DC1485'The same.

CT'Yes.

DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'

CT'Well, he had a long face.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'Yes, this, this you know.

DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.

CT'No, certainly it is not.

DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.

CT'Is this what they sent'

DC1485'Yes.

CT'This I made'

DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'

CT'No, a young person, humm...

DCc1485'Male'

CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.

DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'From Reading.

DC1485'Yes, from Reading.

CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.

DC1485'Okay, sure.

CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.

DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

i thought we were discussing translation errors. do we need another thread for alleged 'mistakes', I wonder?

[Brietta]

I am sure police forces throughout the world sleep better at night in the knowledge that whatever may happen they can depend on the expert long stops, afforded by fora such as this, to save the day.

I rather think it is the perpetrator of the crime against Madeleine McCann who has been enabled to rest easy when all the flack has been directed at her parents and not him ... aided and abetted by misunderstandings such as many of those noted on this thread.
No armchair detective is going to come close to solving this crime so as far as some are concerned inaccuracies in the files will serve in their pastime of metaphorically beating up Madeleine's parents.
Fortunately, the professionally translated files will enable SY to do their job ... and the PJ will have no bother either.

[G-Unit]

Carol Tranmer collaborated in making an efit of the person she saw from her aunt's balcony.  This was sent to Portugal and returned to Britain along with the statement she made to the Portuguese police for information when making a rogatory statement.

Somewhere along the line it would seem that the efit sent with her statement was not the efit which had been sent to Portugal for inclusion with her statement.

Now whether that could be considered to be of no importance or not is all a matter of opinion.  But it does illustrate that mistakes are made and each mistake has the potential to disrupt a chain of evidence.


**snip
DC1485'This was the photo-sketch that you reproduced'

CT'No, he did not use spectacles, but he did have this type of hair.

DC1485'Yes, I was intrigued that the reason for his sunglasses.

CT'He did not have sunglasses, he did not use spectacles and his mouth was not like this, and his nose was not like this, it is not the same person.

DC1485'Then you are telling me that this is not the photo-fit that you made'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'Because he has glasses, he did not use glasses.

Dc1485'No, but the hair is the same'

CT'The hair is right. More or less.

DC1485'I know that the image is not very good.

CT'And it appears that he has something on his chin that he did not have, humm, but the format is similar, he certainly did not use glasses, and his mouth was different.

DC1485'Okay, but the top of his...

CT'The top, his head is...

DC1485'The same.

CT'Yes.

DC1485'The format of the face is the same, the format of the mouth is the same'

CT'Well, he had a long face.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'Yes, this, this you know.

DC1485'But this is not it, this is not your photo-sketch.

CT'No, certainly it is not.

DC1485'No, it is not... okay. And the name Tasmin.

CT'Is this what they sent'

DC1485'Yes.

CT'This I made'

DC1485'Well, do you remember the name of the person who made the photo with you'

CT'No, a young person, humm...

DCc1485'Male'

CT'Yes, male, a young man, hummm.

DC1485'Tasmin, does that have any significance for you'

CT'No.

DC1485'No.

CT'From Reading.

DC1485'Yes, from Reading.

CT'I signed something, he had a CD and did everything on computer.

DC1485'Okay, sure.

CT'But this, this is not like the one he did.

DC1485'Well, there must be some confusion.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

There is no replacement for research, I find, before making posts. It seems that DC1485 was briefed wrongly. The PJ deliberately sent Tasmin Silence's e-fit to be shown to Carol Tranmer to see if she recognised him;

Interview to the witness CAROLE ANNE TRAMMER, PAMELA FENN'S niece, who lives in the apartment above the one used by the McCANN family, to be identified by the Requested Authority. She should be asked the following questions :

Do you recognise him in the photo-fit made by the witness TASMIN SILENCE, which is enclosed to the Letter of Request ?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

[Alice Purjorick]

I rather think it is the perpetrator of the crime against Madeleine McCann who has been enabled to rest easy when all the flack has been directed at her parents and not him ... aided and abetted by misunderstandings such as many of those noted on this thread.
No armchair detective is going to come close to solving this crime so as far as some are concerned inaccuracies in the files will serve in their pastime of metaphorically beating up Madeleine's parents.
Fortunately, the professionally translated files will enable SY to do their job ... and the PJ will have no bother either.

He/she/they are not alone. Why is this one of many unsolved crimes, including a few murders, so special ?
The PJ have primacy which I guess sticks in the throats of some judging by comments on here. Now being irreverent of nature I find that a real gasser.

[Brietta]

There is no replacement for research, I find, before making posts. It seems that DC1485 was briefed wrongly. The PJ deliberately sent Tasmin Silence's e-fit to be shown to Carol Tranmer to see if she recognised him;

Interview to the witness CAROLE ANNE TRAMMER, PAMELA FENN'S niece, who lives in the apartment above the one used by the McCANN family, to be identified by the Requested Authority. She should be asked the following questions :

Do you recognise him in the photo-fit made by the witness TASMIN SILENCE, which is enclosed to the Letter of Request ?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Well spotted may I say that the PJ were asking for a comparison to be made.

However it reinforces my assertion that things get lost in translation.  In this case the misunderstanding and confusion was on the British side where it was obviously thought the efit was the one produces by Ms Tranmer ... who obviously knew it was not.

Therefore the wrong question was asked ... although I think the one you suggest is more than a little leading given the forensic questioning style of the officer involved.

[G-Unit]

Well spotted may I say that the PJ were asking for a comparison to be made.

However it reinforces my assertion that things get lost in translation.  In this case the misunderstanding and confusion was on the British side where it was obviously thought the efit was the one produces by Ms Tranmer ... who obviously knew it was not.

Therefore the wrong question was asked ... although I think the one you suggest is more than a little leading given the forensic questioning style of the officer involved.

it's easy, it's in those pesky files lol. This witnesses story isn't very helpful anyway, I've just been reading it. She's not exactly sure when she saw this 'sneaky man'; Sunday 29th or Thursday 3rd. She's not exactly sure what time; morning or afternoon. It actually sounds like it was Matthew Oldfield legitimately leaving his apartment (next to the Mccann's) by the back gate.

[Brietta]

it's easy, it's in those pesky files lol. This witnesses story isn't very helpful anyway, I've just been reading it. She's not exactly sure when she saw this 'sneaky man'; Sunday 29th or Thursday 3rd. She's not exactly sure what time; morning or afternoon. It actually sounds like it was Matthew Oldfield legitimately leaving his apartment (next to the Mccann's) by the back gate.

I have read this statement on quite a few occasions and it always leaves me bemused.  Despite the misunderstanding regarding Tamsin's efit the questioner's gently probing style has always impressed and getting Ms Tranmer to work out for herself she was in error with the date was pretty good.

[mercury]

I have read this statement on quite a few occasions and it always leaves me bemused.  Despite the misunderstanding regarding Tamsin's efit the questioner's gently probing style has always impressed and getting Ms Tranmer to work out for herself she was in error with the date was pretty good.

Or else most  probably, a pile of bollcks as is almost everythg in ths case!!

Can you stick to the topic herein? Thanks

[G-Unit]

I have read this statement on quite a few occasions and it always leaves me bemused.  Despite the misunderstanding regarding Tamsin's efit the questioner's gently probing style has always impressed and getting Ms Tranmer to work out for herself she was in error with the date was pretty good.

Allegedly one who  was good with the ladies, maybe that's how he developed his 'gently probing' style? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7779460/Murder-trial-detective-made-sexual-gestures-to-juror.html

[pathfinder73]

Who can translate this to English - criminologist Cesar San Juan? A lot of videos being uploaded on youtube lately.

[Brietta]

Allegedly one who  was good with the ladies, maybe that's how he developed his 'gently probing' style? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7779460/Murder-trial-detective-made-sexual-gestures-to-juror.html

Sorry, I can't read your link:  the Telegraph wants a subscription.

[Benice]

Allegedly one who  was good with the ladies, maybe that's how he developed his 'gently probing' style? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7779460/Murder-trial-detective-made-sexual-gestures-to-juror.html

Did we ever get to know the outcome of the proposed enquiry into this allegation?   

Quote

"The Force demands the highest standard of professionalism from all staff and will thoroughly investigate any allegations of inappropriate behaviour.

"The Force's Professional Standards Department will now investigate the alleged incident and therefore it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."

Unquote

[Brietta]

Did we ever get to know the outcome of the proposed enquiry into this allegation?   

Quote

"The Force demands the highest standard of professionalism from all staff and will thoroughly investigate any allegations of inappropriate behaviour.

"The Force's Professional Standards Department will now investigate the alleged incident and therefore it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time."

Unquote

LOL ... I have checked out the allegation on the fora which have dedicated threads to this alleged incident ... what I find astounding is that the alleged conduct of an officer whose only connection to Madeleine McCann's parents is that he took rog statements from some witnesses was used to quite openly excoriate them.  WOW!!