Groundhog Day? What if anything can we agree about?

[stephen25000]

a typical personal attack on me an and abject failure to address the post

Hardly a personal attack.

You have stated frequently on here how much you admire the mccanns.

and the Portuguese weren't thoroughly incompetent.

Now how about SY in this investigation, what have they achieved, and don't bother with the mantra of eliminating the mccanns, as they don't know the crime ?

[Mr Gray]

Hardly a personal attack.

You have stated frequently on here how much you admire the mccanns.

and the Portuguese weren't thoroughly incompetent.

Now how about SY in this investigation, what have they achieved, and don't bother with the mantra of eliminating the mccanns, as they don't know the crime ?

I do admire the McCanns

PJ thoroughly incompetent...that is why they have had to accept SY in Portugal
I look forward to hearing what SY have found when they choose to tell us

[stephen25000]

I do admire the McCanns

PJ thoroughly incompetent...that is why they have had to accept SY in Portugal
I look forward to hearing what SY have found when they choose to tell us

Wrong.

Have SY found Madeleine or the reason for her disappearance ?

NO.

Beliefs don't count.

Facts DO.

[Alfred R Jones]

Your bias against the PJ is very obvious.

Why don't you criticize the mccanns for their failures.

Should the PJ have analysed Madeleine's bedding yes or no?

[stephen25000]

Should the PJ have analysed Madeleine's bedding yes or no?

For what exactly ?

D.N.A.

The bed as I recall was undisturbed.

To show that she slept in the bed ?

[Alfred R Jones]

For what exactly ?

D.N.A.

The bed as I recall was undisturbed.

To show that she slept in the bed ?

For evidence of an abductor might have helped.  Clearly you don't think it worth the bother, so the answer is...?

[stephen25000]

For evidence of an abductor might have helped.  Clearly you don't think it worth the bother, so the answer is...?

Never could see that one coming.


So you agree no evidence of abduction ?

[G-Unit]

Hardly a personal attack.

You have stated frequently on here how much you admire the mccanns.

and the Portuguese weren't thoroughly incompetent.

Now how about SY in this investigation, what have they achieved, and don't bother with the mantra of eliminating the mccanns, as they don't know the crime ?

I think it's disgraceful how the Portuguese police are judged and found wanting. They put in thousands of man-hours and spent loads of money on this case. Criticism of them began on 3rd May 2007 and has continued ever since. The Met police are praised to the skies despite being under investigation for covering up sexual offences by high ranking Brits, despite Lord Stevens being investigated in connection with the Stephen Lawrence case and despite other problems they have been shown to have, such as racism.

[Mr Gray]

I think it's disgraceful how the Portuguese police are judged and found wanting. They put in thousands of man-hours and spent loads of money on this case. Criticism of them began on 3rd May 2007 and has continued ever since. The Met police are praised to the skies despite being under investigation for covering up sexual offences by high ranking Brits, despite Lord Stevens being investigated in connection with the Stephen Lawrence case and despite other problems they have been shown to have, such as racism.

The PJ deserve to be criticised...you are just trying to deflect by criticising the Met

[stephen25000]

The PJ deserve to be criticised...you are just trying to deflect by criticising the Met

Why do you ignore the known inadequacies of SY ?

[Brietta]

Why send private investigators to Belgium when the Belgian police investigated all the sightings there? Are the Belgian police incompetent too?

           Why indeed.  I think I know why that may be ... you'll just have to work it out for yourself.

[G-Unit]

The PJ deserve to be criticised...you are just trying to deflect by criticising the Met

Most of the criticisms of the Pj seem to be concerned with things they didn't do. (in the opinion of unqualified people)
No credit is ever given for the huge amount of effort they did put in.

I am not deflecting by pointing out the factual failings of The Metropolitan Police, I am pointing out that we in the UK don't have a perfect police force even if some people like to think we do. Elevating the Met above the PJ is a symptom of a  biased viewpoint.

[Benice]

Most of the criticisms of the Pj seem to be concerned with things they didn't do. (in the opinion of unqualified people)
No credit is ever given for the huge amount of effort they did put in.

I am not deflecting by pointing out the factual failings of The Metropolitan Police, I am pointing out that we in the UK don't have a perfect police force even if some people like to think we do. Elevating the Met above the PJ is a symptom of a  biased viewpoint.

Only certain elements of their police force have been criticised - and rightly so IMO.  Even their own have done that - hence:

QUOTE:-

ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example.  What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote 

[Brietta]

Most of the criticisms of the Pj seem to be concerned with things they didn't do. (in the opinion of unqualified people)
No credit is ever given for the huge amount of effort they did put in.

I am not deflecting by pointing out the factual failings of The Metropolitan Police, I am pointing out that we in the UK don't have a perfect police force even if some people like to think we do. Elevating the Met above the PJ is a symptom of a  biased viewpoint.

There seems to be a misconception that criticism of the leadership of the particular PJ team which investigated Madeleine McCann's disappearance amounts to xenophobia.  It is what it is ... and that is recognition that Mr Amaral led his team in entirely the wrong direction.

The Rebelo investigation carried out diligences which took all aspects of what might have happened into consideration ... particularly the theory of abduction


Correio da Manha - 30 October 2007
**snip
In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones.

The investigators entered the apartment around 3 p.m. and soon after opened the shutters of the window to the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her siblings on the night she disappeared. Next, they passed a blue blanket through the window, folded like it was covering a child's body.

Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
Moments later, the team turned their attention on the rest of the house, and on the veranda and the garden that is located on the back side of the apartment.
Here, the inspectors analysed the height of the bushes and the firmness of the balcony, as the leader of the investigation entered and left the apartment several times.
One of the inspectors brought a drum into the house, containing a liquid that was not possible to identify.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html   Paulo Rebelo examines Apartment 5A on 29 October 2007

It should be noted that Mr Amaral's theory was discarded and the Portuguese press started printing about Madeleine's abduction again ... unfortunately the case was archived instead of building on the conclusions of the Rebelo team.

[stephen25000]

There seems to be a misconception that criticism of the leadership of the particular PJ team which investigated Madeleine McCann's disappearance amounts to xenophobia.  It is what it is ... and that is recognition that Mr Amaral led his team in entirely the wrong direction.

The Rebelo investigation carried out diligences which took all aspects of what might have happened into consideration ... particularly the theory of abduction


Correio da Manha - 30 October 2007
**snip
In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones.

The investigators entered the apartment around 3 p.m. and soon after opened the shutters of the window to the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her siblings on the night she disappeared. Next, they passed a blue blanket through the window, folded like it was covering a child's body.

Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
Moments later, the team turned their attention on the rest of the house, and on the veranda and the garden that is located on the back side of the apartment.
Here, the inspectors analysed the height of the bushes and the firmness of the balcony, as the leader of the investigation entered and left the apartment several times.
One of the inspectors brought a drum into the house, containing a liquid that was not possible to identify.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html   Paulo Rebelo examines Apartment 5A on 29 October 2007

It should be noted that Mr Amaral's theory was discarded and the Portuguese press started printing about Madeleine's abduction again ... unfortunately the case was archived instead of building on the conclusions of the Rebelo team.

Who said it was in the wrong direction ?

When has the accidental death or Madeleine getting out of the apartment been disproved ?

As to abduction, what exactly has come to light other than mere supposition ?