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Offline Passer-by

So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« on: August 03, 2015, 04:52:12 PM »
Apologies if you've covered this before!

I'm genuinely perplexed as to why, if Bamber did it, Sheila...

  • Had no self defence wounds
  • Had no narcotics in her blood that would render her unconscious
  • Was on the floor of her parents bedroom

I don't see how he achieved this: both parents clearly reacted and put up a fight, why not SC?  She has to have died after her father otherwise he'd have stepped over her to get out of bed, so it's unlikely JB made her go in with them at gunpoint, shot his mother and father whilst they resisted but she remain inert and didn't respond. 

I'd have thought the most likely modus operandi would be to pick individuals off, not herd them all together.   If the plan was to creep in at the dead of night, surely the general idea would be to shoot them as they individually slept, in which case why isn't peaceful, unmarked Sheila in her own bed? 

If Sheila had to step over her dying mother and was told to lie down it would be obvious her number was up and she would have fought to save her children.  Was Sheila sleeping in bed with her mother and Nevill somewhere else?

The blood patterns on her clothes look to me as though both shots were delivered where she lay, so she can't have been shot somewhere else and moved there:  why was she lying on the floor without a fight?  For there to be no defence wounds she has to have been either cooperating or unconscious.  There was nothing in her blood to suggest she had been drugged, so if she was unconscious why was she on the floor?  People don't faint when dramas unfold:  their bodies kick out adrenaline for fight or flight to prevent this.

I can't see any convincing reason why she would lie down and be shot, why she wasn't in her own bed, nor can I think of any convincing reason why a murderer would shoot her twice:  all he had to do was wait or lightly pinch her nostrils, if he'd callously planned all this right down to positioning his mother's bicycle he'd have known it was one-shot only for the 'suicide' plan.

What's the accepted view?

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« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 01:14:02 PM by John »

Offline John

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2015, 05:17:07 PM »
I don't think this subject has had its own topic previously although separate elements have been discussed.  I have tidied up your intro slightly.

Busy at the moment but will post a response in due course.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2015, 05:19:39 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Passer-by

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2015, 07:58:16 PM »
Thank you John:  please feel free to edit the rest - it does loop-the-loop somewhat as my head spins!  *&*%£

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 12:15:25 PM »
I come back to a point I often make in that imo decisions should only be arrived at by taking a multi-disciplinary approach.  By this I mean pathologist, scene of crime forensics, ballistics and psychologist/psychiatrist. 

I find it very odd that SC took her own life in her parents room that was very bloody and close to June who by all accounts she had a very poor relationship with.  Why would she not take her own life next to her beloved sons or even in her own room?  Or a.n other room eg lounge?  Perhaps a psychologist or psychiatrist could help out here?  If she was compliant for JB surely he would think the same and stage a suicide in her own room?  Perhaps when the police turned up en masse she panicked, reached for the bible and...
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 12:49:53 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5594.0;attach=4502

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5594.0;attach=4506

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25947#msg25947

Can I confirm please that the bloody side of the bed was where June had been sleeping, and was subsequently shot, and is nearest to the door leading to the hallway?  The other side of the bed is where NB slept and the door nearest to NB's side of the bed leads to the box room?



Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 12:51:39 PM »
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5594.0;attach=4502

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5594.0;attach=4506

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25947#msg25947

Can I confirm please that the bloody side of the bed was where June had been sleeping, and was subsequently shot, and is nearest to the door leading to the hallway?  The other side of the bed is where NB slept and the door nearest to NB's side of the bed leads to the box room?

That's correct Holly.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 01:02:38 PM »
Dr V states in his interview with CAL that he believes JB shot the twins first.  Malcolm Fletcher disagrees.  This brings me back to the point re a multi-disciplinary approach and some sort of consensus reached.  I don't see how it can reliably be any other way?

Surely if JB was responsible he would tackle arguably his greatest threat first ie NB.  It makes no sense to to me to shoot the poor little twins first and potentially get caught by the three adults overhearing and then overpowering JB and/or raising the alarm either internally via a phone or externally by fleeing to a neighbouring cottage bearing in mind WHF has 2/3 staircases.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2015, 01:06:51 PM »
Apologies if you've covered this before!

I'm genuinely perplexed as to why, if Bamber did it, Sheila...

  • Had no self defence wounds
  • Had no narcotics in her blood that would render her unconscious
  • Was on the floor of her parents bedroom

I don't see how he achieved this: both parents clearly reacted and put up a fight, why not SC?  She has to have died after her father otherwise he'd have stepped over her to get out of bed, so it's unlikely JB made her go in with them at gunpoint, shot his mother and father whilst they resisted but she remain inert and didn't respond. 


*  Firstly, there was no reason why Sheila had to have defence wounds, if I recall correctly without referring to the autopsy report, June didn't have any either.  When you have a rifle pointed at your head there isn't much you can do about it and who knows what story Jeremy told Sheila when confronted by him.

*  Secondly, there was no need for Sheila to have 'narcotics in her blood'.  Had Jeremy used something to temporarily restrain her it is quite possible that it was undetectable.

*  Lastly, Sheila was in her parents bedroom because she had been either shepherded there or carried there unconscious by her assailant.


June never put up a fight, she was shot and seriously injured in her bed and shot again as she staggered to her feet.  Sheila could very well have been shot before the twins, Jeremy could have used the threat of shooting them to get Sheila to comply.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 01:13:04 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2015, 01:12:12 PM »
Dr V states in his interview with CAL that he believes JB shot the twins first.  Malcolm Fletcher disagrees.  This brings me back to the point re a multi-disciplinary approach and some sort of consensus reached.  I don't see how it can reliably be any other way?

Surely if JB was responsible he would tackle arguably his greatest threat first ie NB.  It makes no sense to to me to shoot the poor little twins first and potentially get caught by the three adults overhearing and then overpowering JB and/or raising the alarm either internally via a phone or externally by fleeing to a neighbouring cottage bearing in mind WHF has 2/3 staircases.

I agree with you and Fletcher on this Holly, Nevill was the danger that Jeremy had to overcome.  Jeremy had to use the twins as bargaining chips in order to get Sheila to comply.

A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2015, 01:35:44 PM »
I agree with you and Fletcher on this Holly, Nevill was the danger that Jeremy had to overcome.  Jeremy had to use the twins as bargaining chips in order to get Sheila to comply.

But if JB positioned SC on the floor with the rifle pushed up against her neck she was more than likely going to realise what was coming next and that would be enough to propel most mothers into action as effectively she was going to be separated from the twins?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2015, 01:40:34 PM »
*  Firstly, there was no reason why Sheila had to have defence wounds, if I recall correctly without referring to the autopsy report, June didn't have any either.  When you have a rifle pointed at your head there isn't much you can do about it and who knows what story Jeremy told Sheila when confronted by him.

*  Secondly, there was no need for Sheila to have 'narcotics in her blood'.  Had Jeremy used something to temporarily restrain her it is quite possible that it was undetectable.

*  Lastly, Sheila was in her parents bedroom because she had been either shepherded there or carried there unconscious by her assailant.


June never put up a fight, she was shot and seriously injured in her bed and shot again as she staggered to her feet.  Sheila could very well have been shot before the twins, Jeremy could have used the threat of shooting them to get Sheila to comply.

I agree and yet many think it must have been JB as SC could not have overpowered NB even though she might have been wielding a loaded semi-auto rifle.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 03:26:53 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline John

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2015, 05:27:03 PM »
If only teddy could speak!




A scene of horror. The master bedroom where June Bamber was fatally shot 7 times.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2015, 05:30:34 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Passer-by

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2015, 08:37:56 PM »
*  Firstly, there was no reason why Sheila had to have defence wounds, if I recall correctly without referring to the autopsy report, June didn't have any either.  When you have a rifle pointed at your head there isn't much you can do about it and who knows what story Jeremy told Sheila when confronted by him.


June never put up a fight, she was shot and seriously injured in her bed and shot again as she staggered to her feet.  Sheila could very well have been shot before the twins, Jeremy could have used the threat of shooting them to get Sheila to comply.

Yes, but June's shots were clearly chaotic and she made a move to escape, whereas Sheila's are precise and only possible to accomplish with an inert body.  If Sheila had been restrained she would have had marks on her wrists.

The far side of her parents bed was the furthest she could be from police breaking in down in the kitchen.  I guess if she shot her children because she thought they were the devil or imposters she would not want to be near them.  Also, as CC said child killers don't like to admit what they've done perhaps that applied to her as well.

I seem to recall seeing somewhere that her bed wasn't slept in?

Offline Myster

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 09:18:29 PM »
Possibly slept in, then the brown duvet? and bed cover hurriedly replaced by Sheila, or by JB to make it appear that she had slept at first but then got up.

« Last Edit: August 05, 2015, 01:01:17 AM by Admin »
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Offline Passer-by

Re: So why was Sheila on the floor in her parents bedroom?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2015, 12:20:47 AM »
Thanks for the photo Myster:  the pillow doesn't look particularly used.

Is it possible Neville was not in bed when all this kicked off?  My father-in-law who is a farmer has always got up at about 3.30am because he reckons he needs to be up for something (I suspect more because of habit):  however he has about 500 dairy cattle to tend to.  Did the Bambers' farm have any cattle in the shed next door?  Perhaps Nevill was down in the kitchen when it kicked off and Sheila shot June, Nevill heard it and called for help then ran upstairs where he was shot, then ran back downstairs and was overcome in the kitchen.  If SC then she might have gone back to put a head shot into her mother before stepping over her to get to her bible?