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Offline John

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2015, 06:28:08 PM »
If you took the time to read the Dewani Judgment, you would see that the answers do not lie with Shrien Dewani. There was no evidence of him being involved and a stockpile of evidence to show that the hitman story was made up by the criminals.

The answers to the remaining mysteries lie with the other conspirators. Three people were in that car when Anni died. Anni was shot. Mngeni died in prison. Qwabe is the only living person that knows the precise details of how and why Anni came to be shot, and he already admitted in his initial confession (which was corroborated by Mngeni) that she was shot because she was screaming so loudly and would not stop....

The one answer that remains with Dewani, is the explanation for why he didn't mention the helicopter or the R10,000 when first debriefed by the police. We would very much like to hear him explain that one.

I don't buy the 'she was shot because she wouldn't stop screaming' claim, there are much simpler ways to deal with someone in such a situation without risking a shot being overheard.  In any event, was it not established that the gun went off accidentally and Anni was unfortunate to have been hit?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2015, 06:35:55 PM »
I never mentioned the car exit and he did lie through his teeth to Anni and others, if ever there was an example needed of a man misleading a fiance he was it.

Again, I never mentioned tax avoidance or tax evasion, I merely pointed out that the Dewani family business is ultimately owned by a shelf Company registered in Guernsey which by its nature is shrouded in secrecy.  I will leave others to determine why such an entity is required for a nursing home business based in and operated in England.

It was claimed that Dewani was unfit to travel and unfit to stand trial, probably unfit to plead but we know these claims were all threw out in the end, what does that say for so called professional opinion?

I don't deal in myths dewanifacts, I deal in evidence and the truth.

The PM David Cameron has promised the resources to HM Revenue and Customs so that mystery offshore arrangements can be properly investigated.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2015, 07:07:17 PM »
I don't buy the 'she was shot because she wouldn't stop screaming' claim, there are much simpler ways to deal with someone in such a situation without risking a shot being overheard.  In any event, was it not established that the gun went off accidentally and Anni was unfortunate to have been hit?

There are still far too many unknowns in this murder but the passage of time has a wonderful way of revealing things just when you least expect it.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2015, 07:21:30 PM »
Can I ask what interest you have in the Dewanis and the Hindochas which led you to create such a website when you so obviously are intent upon promoting Shrien Dewani as innocent?

Read the "About this site" page on our website. It explains exactly why we created the site.

We want to see true Justice for Anni. That involves the Mbolombo being prosecuted, Tongo and Qwabe's plea deals being rescinded. Hopefully one day, one of them will finally tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so Anni's family can heal.

We really did not intend to get involved in scrappy online debate and will seek to withdraw. Our initial request remains though; if anyone has any suggestions for our site content, based on evidence (not speculation or rumour), then we'd love to hear from you.

Angelo222; you've made a few suggestions and I invited you to substantiate with evidence so we can then add them to our site. We look forward to receiving the same.

Best Regards,

DF

Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2015, 07:24:41 PM »
I don't buy the 'she was shot because she wouldn't stop screaming' claim,

You may not buy it, but the claim was made by both of the people who were actually in the car - Mngeni and Qwabe - independantly of each other, in their initial confessions.

Coincidence?
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Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
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Offline John

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2015, 08:02:55 PM »
You may not buy it, but the claim was made by both of the people who were actually in the car - Mngeni and Qwabe - independantly of each other, in their initial confessions.

Coincidence?

No more than their claim that it was Shrien Dewani who set it all up.  The truth as usual lies somewhere in the middle.

What we do know however was that Shrien Dewani was leading a secret gay lifestyle unbeknownst to his fiance and that something concerned Anni so much the night she was murdered that she telephoned her parents and sister prior to going out and told her sister that she would reveal all on her return.   Why are these facts not contained within your blog?

Do you think it was just bad luck or coincidence that she never made it home alive?
« Last Edit: August 10, 2015, 08:18:47 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline John

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2015, 08:14:39 PM »
The one answer that remains with Dewani, is the explanation for why he didn't mention the helicopter or the R10,000 when first debriefed by the police. We would very much like to hear him explain that one.

So would many people but I fear you will have a long wait.  This was but one reason why the trial should have been allowed to continue.  Simply saying that SAP were incompetent just doesn't cut it.

« Last Edit: August 12, 2015, 11:54:31 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2015, 08:18:58 PM »
No more than their claim that it was Shrien Dewani who set it all up.  The truth as usual lies somewhere in the middle.

What we do know however was that Shrien Dewani was leading a secret gay lifestyle unbeknownst to his fiance and that something concerned Anni so much the night she was murdered that she telephoned her parents and sister prior to going out and told her sister that she would reveal all on her return.

Do you think it was just bad luck or coincidence that she never made it home alive?

Considering we were furnished with irrefutable evidence that the hitman story was fabricated by 3 criminals, then its pretty clear that it was both bad luck and coincidence that Anni was murdered during the course of the robbery.

Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2015, 08:20:59 PM »
So would many people but I fear you will have a long wait.  This was but one reason why the trial should have been allowed to continue.  Simply saying that SAP were incompetent just doesn't cut it.

His actions in taking the money, were absolutely in keeping with the helicopter ruse that Tongo employed to get Dewani to have a large sum of cash on him when the robbery took place.

The only mystery is why Dewani didn't mention the helicopter plan or the money to the police.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2015, 11:55:42 AM by John »

Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2015, 08:28:05 PM »
What we do know however was that Shrien Dewani was leading a secret gay lifestyle unbeknownst to his fiance and that something concerned Anni so much the night she was murdered that she telephoned her parents and sister prior to going out and told her sister that she would reveal all on her return. 

You have mentioned this phone call at least 3 times now. Would it surprise you if I told you that there was no mention of any concern during that phone call?  All Anni said to her family was "I've got so much to tell you".

It has been speculated upon (surprise surprise) by the media who peddled the salacious hitman story, that it was some catastrophic news, that she'd discovered him cheating, that she'd found his gaydar profile or some such sensational rumour. Its all unsubstantiated. Anni's family have also speculated as to what she might have wanted to tell them, and they have made some comments to suggest that they think it may have been some type of relationship problem but its just educated guesswork. Noone except Anni knew what she meant by those words.

Thanks for reminding us though. We should probably add that to the "baseless claim" section of our website.  8((()*/
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Offline mercury

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2015, 08:33:50 PM »
DF, what do you think about body language, facial expressions and mannerisms? Complex area I know, but is it worth taking note of in your opinion in forming an opinion of someone's personality/culpability in a crime?
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Offline John

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2015, 08:45:51 PM »
You have mentioned this phone call at least 3 times now. Would it surprise you if I told you that there was no mention of any concern during that phone call?  All Anni said to her family was "I've got so much to tell you".

It has been speculated upon (surprise surprise) by the media who peddled the salacious hitman story, that it was some catastrophic news, that she'd discovered him cheating, that she'd found his gaydar profile or some such sensational rumour. Its all unsubstantiated. Anni's family have also speculated as to what she might have wanted to tell them, and they have made some comments to suggest that they think it may have been some type of relationship problem but its just educated guesswork. Noone except Anni knew what she meant by those words.

Thanks for reminding us though. We should probably add that to the "baseless claim" section of our website.  8((()*/

I think it's worth reminding you that it was Anni's sister and parents who took the call from her and who relayed what she said that night.  I have corresponded with Ami about this very subject so for you to attempt to down play it now says more about you than it does them.

Anni was disturbed greatly when she telephoned her folks for reassurance so for you to try and pass it off a general holiday chit chat is extremely disingenuous and undermines your and your websites credibility.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2015, 08:49:12 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2015, 08:48:17 PM »
DF, what do you think about body language, favial expressions and mannerisms? Complex area I know, but is it worth taking note of in your opinion in forming an opinion of someone's personality/culpability in a crime?

I would think that in the hands of qualified professionals, they're all useful tools in determining whether someone is telling the truth, although I'd suggest that they are often subjective and non-conclusive. 
 



Offline dewanifacts

Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2015, 09:02:15 PM »
I think it's worth reminding you that it was Anni's sister and parents who took the call from her and who relayed what she said that night.  I have corresponded with Ami about this very subject so for you to attempt to down play it now says more about you than it does them.

Anni was disturbed greatly when she telephoned her folks for reassurance so for you to try and pass it off a general holiday chit chat is extremely disingenuous and undermines your and your websites credibility.

Thanks for the reminder, John. I had forgotten Vinod's comment about her worried tone. You are correct. Anni was upset, but she didn't elaborate any further than saying "I've got so much to tell you".  To guess as to what that may have been, or to try to link that call to her murder is an exercise in speculation.  Speculation tends to take us further from the truth, not closer. We deal in facts.