SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits

[G-Unit]

Is a year not a length of time? It's longer than a week, and 12 times longer than a month.

One of the canards promoted has been the idea that the damages trial was ruling on the truth ot otherwise of Amaral's book - sooo wrong.

[ferryman]

Is a year not a length of time? It's longer than a week, and 12 times longer than a month.

One of the canards promoted has been the idea that the damages trial was ruling on the truth ot otherwise of Amaral's book - sooo wrong.

In respect of the efits they were published just as soon as the (very proper!) requirements of any police investigation allowed, without the slightest delay or prevarication.   

And Amaral was allowed to get away with spouting any (otherwise) libellous crap in his book he wanted, because Kate had the temerity to write a book of her own.

A marvellous thing, Portuguese law.

[ShiningInLuz]

In respect of the efits they were published just as soon as the (very proper!) requirements of any police investigation allowed, without the slightest delay or prevarication.   

And Amaral was allowed to get away with spouting any (otherwise) libellous crap in his book he wanted, because Kate had the temerity to write a book of her own.

A marvellous thing, Portuguese law.

Not in Kate's book they weren't.

[ferryman]

Not in Kate's book they weren't.

Kate would have flouted police procedure (and conceivably been in deep trouble with English law) had she published them in her book, whether she was in a position to or not (which is a whole, different, question).

[Angelo222]

The e-fits were created I believe in 2008 yet nobody bothered their backsides to publish them until three years later when Redwood had his eureka moment.  I don't know of anyone who has ever gone to the bother of creating e-fits in a missing child case only to file them away for years.  But then the McCanns have broken the mould more than once in this case in order to fit in with their own selfish priorities.  They have constantly sought to discredit Smithman in favour of Tannerman contrary to the thinking at SY.

[ferryman]

The e-fits were created I believe in 2008 yet nobody bothered their backsides to publish them until three years later when Redwood had his eureka moment.  I don't know of anyone who has ever gone to the bother of creating e-fits in a missing child case only to file them away for years.  But then the McCanns have broken the mould more than once in this case in order to fit in with their own selfish priorities.

When was the initial enquiry shelved?

2008.

You can't publish an efit that implies someone was carrying an abducted child away from an apartment other than when such an alleged event is being investigated by a competent police force.

You just can't do it.

[slartibartfast]

When was the initial enquiry shelved?

2008.

You can't publish an efit that implies someone was carrying an abducted child away from an apartment other than when such an alleged event is being investigated by a competent police force.

You just can't do it.

Poppycock. If you get an efit produced it is up to you what you do with it.

[ferryman]

Poppycock. If you get an efit produced it is up to you what you do with it.

It's one of those things, blindingly obvious to those who see it; incomprehensibly opaque to those who don't.

Seemingly beyond the ken (of those who don't see it!) to understand.

[slartibartfast]

It's one of those things, blindingly obvious to those who see it; incomprehensibly opaque to those who don't.

Seemingly beyond the ken (of those who don't see it!) to understand.

You have yet to explain your argument, just stated it as fact.

[Miss Taken Identity]

When was the initial enquiry shelved?

2008.

You can't publish an efit that implies someone was carrying an abducted child away from an apartment other than when such an alleged event is being investigated by a competent police force.

You just can't do it.

Well of course you can't post an efit saying this man abducted our child...but you can say does anyone recognise this man we woud like to eliminate him from our enquiries... but then they were selling the tannerman as given ...I wonder if Tannerman felt he was being accused of abducting MM.

[Brietta]

The e-fits were created I believe in 2008 yet nobody bothered their backsides to publish them until three years later when Redwood had his eureka moment.  I don't know of anyone who has ever gone to the bother of creating e-fits in a missing child case only to file them away for years.  But then the McCanns have broken the mould more than once in this case in order to fit in with their own selfish priorities.  They have constantly sought to discredit Smithman in favour of Tannerman contrary to the thinking at SY.

One wonders why DCI Redwood was so convinced that the association of a convicted fraudster in the production of the efits many months after the event in question had produced the real deal.
They may have been constructed in collaboration with the Smith family ~ despite one calling to mind that apparently Mr Smith did not help when approached by Brian Kennedy on behalf of the McCann family ~ change of heart perhaps?
Or was the DCI playing a long game here using the efits? which had perhaps been confirmed from another source turned up during Scotland Yard research into the case.  In my opinion ... he wouldn't have given Halligen house room.

quote
He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits.
Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough    Dated 19/02/08
end quote
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P16/16_VOLUME_XVIa_Page_4134.jpg

**snip
However, it was only later, when tape recordings of interviews undertaken in Praia da Luz were sent to Dr Parton and Mr Taylor, in Washington, that they started to fear the worst for the investigation.
Mr Taylor said: 'The quality of the interviews was terrible, very amateurish. The noise in the background was bad, the interview questions were useless and the subjects were irrelevant. I told them to stop wasting time and money on such low-key figures - homeless people and receptionists who knew nothing.

**snip
Dr Parton said: 'He has left a trail of debts across America and the UK. But the horrible truth is that he stole from the McCanns what they really couldn't afford - time.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html#ixzz4HKQmVwLO

[Miss Taken Identity]

One wonders why DCI Redwood was so convinced that the association of a convicted fraudster in the production of the efits many months after the event in question had produced the real deal.
They may have been constructed in collaboration with the Smith family ~ despite one calling to mind that apparently Mr Smith did not help when approached by Brian Kennedy on behalf of the McCann family ~ change of heart perhaps?
Or was the DCI playing a long game here using the efits? which had perhaps been confirmed from another source turned up during Scotland Yard research into the case.  In my opinion ... he wouldn't have given Halligen house room.

quote


He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits.
Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough    Dated 19/02/08
end quote
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P16/16_VOLUME_XVIa_Page_4134.jpg

**snip
However, it was only later, when tape recordings of interviews undertaken in Praia da Luz were sent to Dr Parton and Mr Taylor, in Washington, that they started to fear the worst for the investigation.
Mr Taylor said: 'The quality of the interviews was terrible, very amateurish. The noise in the background was bad, the interview questions were useless and the subjects were irrelevant. I told them to stop wasting time and money on such low-key figures - homeless people and receptionists who knew nothing.

**snip
Dr Parton said: 'He has left a trail of debts across America and the UK. But the horrible truth is that he stole from the McCanns what they really couldn't afford - time.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html#ixzz4HKQmVwLO

Why would DCI Redwood not give house room to halligan, being a mere fraudster? are you not keen for DCI to give house room to the 'abductor' either, the police mix with all sorts- they have to goes with the job.

 Kennedy had no right to approach witnesess. and some would suggest halligan wasn't the only one to make a few bob from Public money given to the 'family business' to: search for maddie, pay for trips to portugual, five star hotels, lawyers fees to sue people...to name  a few.

[G-Unit]

When was the initial enquiry shelved?

2008.

You can't publish an efit that implies someone was carrying an abducted child away from an apartment other than when such an alleged event is being investigated by a competent police force.

You just can't do it.

I think you need to support your assertions with more than 'because ferryman says so'. If the McCanns had published the efits in 2008 would they have been prosecuted? For what? Would they have been sued? By whom? Would that have flushed Smithman out of the woodwork?

The Cooperman sketch resulted in at least 44 sightings worldwide.One person said he worked in a shoe shop in Birmingham, others actually named their suspects with UK names.  A good example of wasting police time imo.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GAIL_COOPER.htm

[ferryman]

I think you need to support your assertions with more than 'because ferryman says so'. If the McCanns had published the efits in 2008 would they have been prosecuted? For what? Would they have been sued? By whom? Would that have flushed Smithman out of the woodwork?

The Cooperman sketch resulted in at least 44 sightings worldwide.One person said he worked in a shoe shop in Birmingham, others actually named their suspects with UK names.  A good example of wasting police time imo.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GAIL_COOPER.htm

Find a case in English police criminal enquiries where an efit was released without there being a live, and on-going, police enquiry.

I shan't waste my time looking, because I know there are none.

[ferryman]

You have yet to explain your argument, just stated it as fact.

On the contrary.

I have explained the rationale very clearly.

To publish an efit (of a man carrying a child close to the scene of where a child is known to have been abducted) at the time the child is known to have been abducted is to accuse without basis (if there is not, contemporaneous with publication of the e-fit) a live, and on-going, police enquiry investigating the lead.

You just can't do that.