SY Crimewatch Smithman Efits

[Angelo222]

One wonders why DCI Redwood was so convinced that the association of a convicted fraudster in the production of the efits many months after the event in question had produced the real deal.
They may have been constructed in collaboration with the Smith family ~ despite one calling to mind that apparently Mr Smith did not help when approached by Brian Kennedy on behalf of the McCann family ~ change of heart perhaps?
Or was the DCI playing a long game here using the efits? which had perhaps been confirmed from another source turned up during Scotland Yard research into the case.  In my opinion ... he wouldn't have given Halligen house room.

quote
He has been contacted by Mr Brian Kennedy who is supporting the McCann family to take part in a photo fit exercise. He has given no stories or helped in any photo fits.
Detective Branch
Drogheda
County Lough    Dated 19/02/08
end quote
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P16/16_VOLUME_XVIa_Page_4134.jpg

**snip
However, it was only later, when tape recordings of interviews undertaken in Praia da Luz were sent to Dr Parton and Mr Taylor, in Washington, that they started to fear the worst for the investigation.
Mr Taylor said: 'The quality of the interviews was terrible, very amateurish. The noise in the background was bad, the interview questions were useless and the subjects were irrelevant. I told them to stop wasting time and money on such low-key figures - homeless people and receptionists who knew nothing.

**snip
Dr Parton said: 'He has left a trail of debts across America and the UK. But the horrible truth is that he stole from the McCanns what they really couldn't afford - time.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html#ixzz4HKQmVwLO

What is clear is that Brian Kennedy got shown the door while Halligen was cooperated with fully.  Not too surprising really as Halligen is from Dublin while Smith is from Drogheda just up the road.

[ferryman]

What is clear is that Brian Kennedy got shown the door while Halligen was cooperated with fully.

Shown the door by whom?

Martin Smith, during the (transitory period that he believed he might have seen Gerry).

But not after.

[Angelo222]

Find a case in English police criminal enquiries where an efit was released without there being a live, and on-going, police enquiry.

I shan't waste my time looking, because I know there are none.

The investigation is in Portugal, not England.

[ferryman]

The investigation is in Portugal, not England.

Do Portugal use efits?

[mercury]

On the contrary.

I have explained the rationale very clearly.

To publish an efit (of a man carrying a child close to the scene of where a child is known to have been abducted) at the time the child is known to have been abducted is to accuse without basis (if there is not, contemporaneous with publication of the e-fit) a live, and on-going, police enquiry investigating the lead.

You just can't do that.

methinks you are making it up to suit as you go along
If you werent youd have cites, do you? No!

[mercury]

Im just sayng there was more in their statements than an eggman

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Catch up tomorrow

On reflection i take back what i said, the smiths knowing what the man didnt have doesnt show what he did

Height hair colour and skin tone only

[mercury]

No one 'withheld' anything (for any length of time).

This board has a disreputable track-record of promoting canards.

And a still more disreputable record of suppressing truth.

Which truth is this board suppressing?

[ferryman]

Which truth is this board suppressing?

Truth(s)

About the dogs

About Martin Grime

About the efits (perhaps more subconscious, that one)

About the current status of the Smiths, specifically Martin and his wife, (on the view that the man the Smiths all saw might have been Gerry)

About the true nature of the civil action taken by Kate and Gerry against Amaral.

Doubtless others.

That'll do.

[mercury]

No it wont do as you havent said what is beng suppressed, how can any of that be considered suppressed when theres been ample and sickeningly repetitive discussion over mnths and years,get a grip, dont spit dummy out because your personaal interpretation of facts has been booed by all on here

[pathfinder73]

Truth about the dogs in the Zapata case not alerting to a body? But later proved to be correct. Truth about Eddie not alerting to cadaver odour in the Prout case until he later confessed and was proven to be correct.

MS did name Gerry in his statement. That's on record and has not changed. You don't know what his wife thinks.

True action against Amaral "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."  Rich coming from suspects who refused to answer police questions.

[mercury]

Truth about the dogs in the Zapata case not alerting to a body? But later proved to be correct. Truth about Eddie not alerting to cadaver odour in the Prout case until he later confessed and was proven to be correct.

MS did name Gerry in his statement. That's on record and has not changed. You don't know what his wife thinks.

True action against Amaral "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."  Rich coming from suspects who refused to answer police questions.

There was nothng whatsoever stoppng the mccanns releasing the efits in 2008, in fact they were told to by the investigators
But they decided to hang on to them for over a year before giving them over to police, and then even have a confidentiality agreement that stopped scotland yard getting hold of them
The bit i dont get is if the mccanns handed them to LP in 2009 why did SY have to get fund permission to access them in 2013 from another police force

Wtf

[ferryman]

Truth about the dogs in the Zapata case not alerting to a body? But later proved to be correct. Truth about Eddie not alerting to cadaver odour in the Prout case until he later confessed and was proven to be correct.

MS did name Gerry in his statement. That's on record and has not changed. You don't know what his wife thinks.

True action against Amaral "He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."  Rich coming from suspects who refused to answer police questions.

I think the Thomas Quick example is more applicable to PdL.

And another z (this time, the name of a dog) Zampo:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/20/thomas-quick-bergwall-sweden-murder

[G-Unit]

Find a case in English police criminal enquiries where an efit was released without there being a live, and on-going, police enquiry.

I shan't waste my time looking, because I know there are none.

In the UK it's normal for the police to release e fits. It's perfectly obvious that the pollce only do that if there's a live inquiry.

I haven't seen a case where relatives commission and release e fits until the McCann case. What they did [twice] they could have done three times.

You cannot provide cites to support your opinion, so by continuing the argument you're wasting your time and everyone else's. You're swimming against the tide again, ferryman. 

[ferryman]

In the UK it's normal for the police to release e fits. It's perfectly obvious that the pollce only do that if there's a live inquiry.

I haven't seen a case where relatives commission and release e fits until the McCann case. What they did [twice] they could have done three times.

You cannot provide cites to support your opinion, so by continuing the argument you're wasting your time and everyone else's. You're swimming against the tide again, ferryman. 

In support of criminal enquiries.

But not apart from them

Unless you can provide a cite otherwise.

[G-Unit]

In support of criminal enquiries.

But not apart from them

Unless you can provide a cite otherwise.

I don't have to provide cites, you do. I'll stick with what their 'source' said. On the report;

the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if made public.

The McCann fund source said;

 the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/78oct13/Times_27_10_2013.htm

There you are; it's quite clear and easily understood. Nothing to do with police investigations, just a decision by the McCanns and their supporters for the reasons given.