Author Topic: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?  (Read 46675 times)

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stephen25000

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #210 on: November 02, 2015, 02:38:06 PM »
the reality is that the mccanns have lost their daughter...any decent human would feel sympathy for them

Any decent human would not have left very small vulnerable children alone

FACT

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #211 on: November 02, 2015, 02:39:25 PM »
Any decent human would not have left very small vulnerable children alone

FACT
not a fact...an opinion...fact

stephen25000

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #212 on: November 02, 2015, 02:42:08 PM »
not a fact...an opinion...fact

It is a FACT.

She would not have been missing if not for the action of those parents.

FACT.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #213 on: November 02, 2015, 02:44:57 PM »
It is a FACT.

She would not have been missing if not for the action of those parents.

FACT.

no it's MW fault for promoting baby listening services ...and Butlins...and every other place that promotes them

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #214 on: November 02, 2015, 03:17:03 PM »
I think Madeleine is likely long dead, and no one (apart from McCann "sceptics") has branded me as deficient.  Work that one out!
At least we agree on one thing then Alf. As for the rest, simples: "don't shoot your own side"
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stephen25000

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #215 on: November 02, 2015, 03:18:33 PM »
no it's MW fault for promoting baby listening services ...and Butlins...and every other place that promotes them


What the hell are you on about ?

The mccanns deliberately left their children for 5 nights in a row .

They could have easily employed a nanny to look after the children.

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2015, 03:24:53 PM »

What the hell are you on about ?

The mccanns deliberately left their children for 5 nights in a row .

They could have easily employed a nanny to look after the children.

i sometimes wonder if davel is a  wind up troll to distract us no one could be that dumb could they??

stephen25000

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #217 on: November 02, 2015, 03:29:33 PM »
i sometimes wonder if davel is a  wind up troll to distract us no one could be that dumb could they??

No, he's not dumb.

His intentions and actions are quite deliberate.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2015, 03:35:19 PM »
At least we agree on one thing then Alf. As for the rest, simples: "don't shoot your own side"
Actually no.  No one pro or anti objects to someone believing that Madeleine is long deceased per se, so IMO you are wrong to say that they do.  What some people object to is the certainty with which some people cling to this belief, by asserting it as a fact and pretending that they know how she met her end and why. 

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2015, 03:46:27 PM »
Actually no.  No one pro or anti objects to someone believing that Madeleine is long deceased per se, so IMO you are wrong to say that they do.  What some people object to is the certainty with which some people cling to this belief, by asserting it as a fact and pretending that they know how she met her end and why.

OK my mistake then we don't share a belief she is dead.
I believe she is.
The rest of your post is far to complicated for a bear of very little brain like me.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #220 on: November 02, 2015, 03:55:52 PM »
Actually no.  No one pro or anti objects to someone believing that Madeleine is long deceased per se, so IMO you are wrong to say that they do.  What some people object to is the certainty with which some people cling to this belief, by asserting it as a fact and pretending that they know how she met her end and why.

There is no-one from Madeleine's immediate family to any sentient adult who has a modicum of knowledge of the case who is unaware of the possibility that she may be dead.

The apportioning of blame to her parents in various campaigns which have been organised over an eight year period is an aspect which I find particularly distasteful and disturbing.
No holds have been barred and most of them are designed to impede everything Madeleine's parents have attempted to do on her behalf.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #221 on: November 02, 2015, 04:01:08 PM »
OK my mistake then we don't share a belief she is dead.
I believe she is.
The rest of your post is far to complicated for a bear of very little brain like me.
I do believe she is dead, I don't however insist that she is, or spend my days trying to persuade people that she is, nor do I think that those who believe she might still be alive and be being looked after are worthy of scorn and derision.  Sorry, that was probably too complicated again.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2015, 04:14:58 PM »
I do believe she is dead, I don't however insist that she is, or spend my days trying to persuade people that she is, nor do I think that those who believe she might still be alive and be being looked after are worthy of scorn and derision.  Sorry, that was probably too complicated again.
I believe she is dead.
I don't insist she is dead.
I don't know the what, where,when, how, why and who of it. There are limited choices however for the broad picture.
I guess we all have our own ground rules about upon whom we will pour scorn. No one reason is more or less worthy than another.
You are right it was too complicated.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #223 on: November 02, 2015, 04:20:47 PM »
I believe she is dead.
I don't insist she is dead.
I don't know the what, where,when, how, why and who of it. There are limited choices however for the broad picture.
I guess we all have our own ground rules about upon whom we will pour scorn. No one reason is more or less worthy than another.
You are right it was too complicated.
I disagree.  I think pouring scorn on people who hope for the best is less worthy than pouring scorn on those who spend their lives campaigning hard to convince people that a child is dead and that her parents dunnit, despite any evidence to support either contention.  Again, you are almost to certain to disagree, we are poles apart aren't we?  Thank God!

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #224 on: November 02, 2015, 04:51:23 PM »
I disagree.  I think pouring scorn on people who hope for the best is less worthy than pouring scorn on those who spend their lives campaigning hard to convince people that a child is dead and that her parents dunnit, despite any evidence to support either contention. Again, you are almost to certain to disagree, we are poles apart aren't we?  Thank God!

That is rather leading out for a "my sentiments exactly"  8(0(*
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey