Author Topic: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?  (Read 46679 times)

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #240 on: November 02, 2015, 07:52:29 PM »

In the same vein, why do you think Amaral is unable to shoulder any part of the blame whatsoever for his own downfall?

The unshakable belief he is in the right and should shoulder no responsibility for his own actions?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #241 on: November 02, 2015, 08:00:34 PM »

In the same vein, why do you think Amaral is unable to shoulder any part of the blame whatsoever for his own downfall?

I have to say the two sides exhibit similar views on the world. Amaral blamed the British Ambassador, media attention, Leicester Police, and UK political pressures for his team's failures. It can't be denied that the PJ were subjected to lots of pressure and advice from the world and his wife. Would any other police force have insisted on investigating the group immediately and thoroughly in the face of those pressures? It's hard to say as I can't recall anything similar. He has acknowledged that it was a mistake not to.
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Offline misty

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #242 on: November 02, 2015, 08:02:37 PM »
The unshakable belief he is in the right and should shoulder no responsibility for his own actions?

If his peers believed he was right he wouldn't have been removed from the investigation.
If the libel court judge believed he was in the right he wouldn't have lost everything he earned from his book.
He lost material goods because of his actions yet is deemed a humble hero.
The McCanns lost their child yet are deemed despicable.......

Offline jassi

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #243 on: November 02, 2015, 08:05:15 PM »
If his peers believed he was right he wouldn't have been removed from the investigation.
If the libel court judge believed he was in the right he wouldn't have lost everything he earned from his book.
He lost material goods because of his actions yet is deemed a humble hero.
The McCanns lost their child yet are deemed despicable.......


Its a funny old life
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline misty

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #244 on: November 02, 2015, 08:09:34 PM »

Its a funny old life

And it says an awful lot about people today.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #245 on: November 02, 2015, 08:21:33 PM »
And it says an awful lot about people today.

I think it says a lot about PR and media management. The parents wanted to use the media to publicise the disappearance. As Jon Corner warned, they then became the story. Huge media support turned into huge media vilification. The population of two countries watched, read, listened and formed opinions. Some formed stronger opinions and here we all are, years later.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #246 on: November 02, 2015, 08:35:24 PM »
If his peers believed he was right he wouldn't have been removed from the investigation.
If the libel court judge believed he was in the right he wouldn't have lost everything he earned from his book.
He lost material goods because of his actions yet is deemed a humble hero.
The McCanns lost their child yet are deemed despicable.......

Red bit: Oh but he would have been removed.
The libel case has not reach the buffers yet.
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Offline mercury

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #247 on: November 02, 2015, 08:45:11 PM »
Please say where in Kate's book she wrote that,  I have read Kate's book and I really don't remember her saying it.  Please give me a page number.
I had the book on kindle at one stage, no more, it is definely in there and not plucked out of my imagination...so many people here have it in physical or digital form, I am sure someone will oblige...or maybe not

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #248 on: November 02, 2015, 09:04:01 PM »
I had the book on kindle at one stage, no more, it is definely in there and not plucked out of my imagination...so many people here have it in physical or digital form, I am sure someone will oblige...or maybe not

or maybe  you have quoted it incorrectly

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #249 on: November 02, 2015, 09:39:14 PM »
Can we keep it reasonably polite please.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #250 on: November 02, 2015, 10:17:43 PM »
If his peers believed he was right he wouldn't have been removed from the investigation.
If the libel court judge believed he was in the right he wouldn't have lost everything he earned from his book.
He lost material goods because of his actions yet is deemed a humble hero.
The McCanns lost their child yet are deemed despicable.......

His peers gave evidence for him in the defamation action I believe.

The trial is not yet over. We could still have rounds 2,3 or even 4 to come.

He has not yet lost his goods.

People love an underdog.

The McCanns lost a child and became suspects in the case.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #251 on: November 02, 2015, 10:20:01 PM »
His peers gave evidence for him in the defamation action I believe.

The trial is not yet over. We could still have rounds 2,3 or even 4 to come.

He has not yet lost his goods.

People love an underdog.

The McCanns lost a child and became suspects in the case.

No one likes a bent cop

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #252 on: November 02, 2015, 10:35:28 PM »
apart from a few hundred "sceptics".

They think he's been cleared

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Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #253 on: November 02, 2015, 10:45:32 PM »
I don't recall Tony Bennett's status as an "underdog" winning him much public sympathy, and the same goes for Amaral.  He can't seem to muster much of an army of support in his own country for a start.

Offline mercury

Re: Is the apportioning of blame a coping mechanism?
« Reply #254 on: November 02, 2015, 11:18:15 PM »
Please say where in Kate's book she wrote that,  I have read Kate's book and I really don't remember her saying it.  Please give me a page number.

As I was saying before being rudely interrupted and accused, I had the kindle version which I lost but have managed to retrieive the info, here you go, chapter 8
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Had Madeleine been specifically targeted, either for herself or because someone knew that apartment 5A would be a breeze to raid? Not only did its corner position allow for easy access and escape, but, unlike many other residences, it had no protective wrought-iron bars at the windows and no security light.

Could Madeleine’s apparently excessive tiredness on that last Thursday afternoon have been caused by some kind of tranquillizer administered earlier in the day, or even the night before? It had been noticeable, but then we’d been approaching the end of our break and the children had all been extremely active for almost a week. It might simply have been, as we’d thought at the time, the holiday catching up with her. Inevitably, though, since we cannot yet know for sure, a little nugget of doubt remains.
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