Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.

[Brietta]

Been through this all before.

Has it ever crossed your mind there is no evidence of abduction, because there was no abduction ?

Indeed we have.

You seem to have a gift for repetition.

The fact remains that the initial forensic examination of the apartment was botched which removed any chance of retrieving a trace from an intruder.

[stephen25000]

Indeed we have.

You seem to have a gift for repetition.

The fact remains that the initial forensic examination of the apartment was botched which removed any chance of retrieving a trace from an intruder.

That then applies to accidental death.

Remember the dogs.

As to repetition, I need no lessons from you on that.

[Benice]

So you are claiming that because the public have not been informed of any interviews with the McCanns - or anyone else for that matter - then that's proof that they didn't happen?

That means SY have completely ignored that major advantage they have over armchair detectives like us  - who do only have some of the files to go on and unlike SY  - have no chance of verifying/questioning/clarifying anything in them with the people concerned if the need arises.

The idea that no-one connected to this case has been interviewed in the UK by SY since the investigation began  and that SY have been in exactly the same position as the rest of us - with only the files to go on - is more than blatent nonsense IMO.  It's barmy.

   
   

[Anna]

Clarence Mitchell on video explaining the cut back on here..............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34661256

[Anna]

Please leave personal remarks out of the debate and adhere to the topic of the thread. Thank you.

[Brietta]

Well IMO, anyone who supports the mccanns after what they did, can be attributed with the same description.

Likewise it is abundantly clear, SY have found NOTHING, and again those who think different can be added to that descriptive term, IMO , of course.

Actually, those who "support" the Drs McCann are merely supporting their efforts to get a properly conducted investigation into Madeleine's disappearance underway; I have witnessed no adulation such as that posted by admirers of Goncalo Amaral when his go fund me appeal was extant.

Having been successful in their aim of having Madeleine's case reopened and proper scrutiny of all the evidence gathered, there is no further requirement of such a huge squad.
The Policia Justicairia have been operating normally for quite some time now in Madeleine's case and Scotland Yard have now reached the same stage in their enquiry which enables the reduction in their team.

When and if they reach a conclusion, hopefully with the recovery of Madeleine, we will hear all about it.

Till then, there is nothing more to be done but to allow the police investigation to get on with following the evidence and the active lines of enquiry we have been told about.

[stephen25000]

Actually, those who "support" the Drs McCann are merely supporting their efforts to get a properly conducted investigation into Madeleine's disappearance underway; I have witnessed no adulation such as that posted by admirers of Goncalo Amaral when his go fund me appeal was extant.

Having been successful in their aim of having Madeleine's case reopened and proper scrutiny of all the evidence gathered, there is no further requirement of such a huge squad.
The Policia Justicairia have been operating normally for quite some time now in Madeleine's case and Scotland Yard have now reached the same stage in their enquiry which enables the reduction in their team.

When and if they reach a conclusion, hopefully with the recovery of Madeleine, we will hear all about it.

Till then, there is nothing more to be done but to allow the police investigation to get on with following the evidence and the active lines of enquiry we have been told about.

You can type until the end of time, but it doesn't meant there was an abductor.

[carlymichelle]

what i will never understand is  and no disrepect to madeline but  why did  one missing  child in the  uk  need   28 police officers or more?     that isnt normal imo

[Brietta]

You can type until the end of time, but it doesn't meant there was an abductor.

Madeleine McCann vanished while on holiday in Praia da Luz.

Despite the best efforts of the initial investigation to pin the blame for that disappearance on her parents ... in particular her mother ... no evidence was found to justify that approach.

The present Scotland Yard and Policia Judicairia investigations having gone back to square one by reassessing everything which was available to the initial investigation and coordinating it with all the information subsequently gathered ... are ... wait for it ...
looking for the stranger/s responsible for abducting Madeleine.


The time will come when like all cases there will be a resolution one way or the other and I am sure if the same scrutiny were to be given to what SY and the PJ have achieved over the past four years there might be avenues which could well have been followed.
It must rank as one of the most intensive investigations in history and I'll guarantee lots of lessons must have been learned from it ... in particular the new working relationship of the Brits and Portuguese.

It has obviously been determined that there is still enough work to keep four detectives on the case for the foreseeable future ... some of us are content about that.   

[stephen25000]

Madeleine McCann vanished while on holiday in Praia da Luz.

Despite the best efforts of the initial investigation to pin the blame for that disappearance on her parents ... in particular her mother ... no evidence was found to justify that approach.

The present Scotland Yard and Policia Judicairia investigations having gone back to square one by reassessing everything which was available to the initial investigation and coordinating it with all the information subsequently gathered ... are ... wait for it ...
looking for the stranger/s responsible for abducting Madeleine.


The time will come when like all cases there will be a resolution one way or the other and I am sure if the same scrutiny were to be given to what SY and the PJ have achieved over the past four years there might be avenues which could well have been followed.
It must rank as one of the most intensive investigations in history and I'll guarantee lots of lessons must have been learned from it ... in particular the new working relationship of the Brits and Portuguese.

It has obviously been determined that there is still enough work to keep four detectives on the case for the foreseeable future ... some of us are content about that.
[/quote]

Keep dreaming Brietta.

That is all you have left as regards abduction.

[Brietta]

Keep dreaming Brietta.

That is all you have left as regards abduction.

We appear to have mucked up the quote system, I probably started it by putting my reply within your post.

But as I have already said this thread is not about abduction per se ... it is about the fact that there is still enough evidence there which justifies four detectives being dedicated to following it through.
Hopefully with positive results for Madeleine.



Thanks, Anna, I see you have sorted me out.

[ShiningInLuz]

So you are claiming that because the public have not been informed of any interviews with the McCanns - or anyone else for that matter - then that's proof that they didn't happen?

That means SY have completely ignored that major advantage they have over armchair detectives like us  - who do only have some of the files to go on and unlike SY  - have no chance of verifying/questioning/clarifying anything in them with the people concerned if the need arises.

The idea that no-one connected to this case has been interviewed in the UK by SY since the investigation began  and that SY have been in exactly the same position as the rest of us - with only the files to go on - is more than blatent nonsense IMO.  It's barmy.

The announcement says "The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits."  Very little of that has been done in Portugal, so they must have been busy elsewhere.

[Alfred R Jones]

Neither Operation Grange or, more interestingly, the media have referred to 'an abduction' for ages. Only the McCanns and their supporters are still insisting on this explanation for Madeleine's disappearance. I have highlighted words which may be significant;

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "The Met investigation has been painstaking and thorough and has for the first time brought together in one place what was disparate information across the world.

"This work has enabled us to better understand events in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine McCann went missing and ensure every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to her.

McCann statement;

"We are reassured that the investigation to find Madeleine has been significantly progressed and the MPS has a much clearer picture of the events in Praia da Luz leading up to Madeleine's abduction in 2007.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-10million-police-investigation-6722352

The police seem to be emphasising the night itself. The parents statement is less specific. The police say 'went missing' The parents say 'abduction'. The police say 'what happened to her', no mention of finding her. It may be that the police worded their statement carelessly, but I doubt it.

I believe the word "abduction" was used on TV yesterday, and reference to Madeleine being taken from the Apartment on the night of the 3rd May was mentioned on BBC News at 10 last night.

[Alfred R Jones]

The Mirror references "suspected abduction" in yesterday's article

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-probe-6724222

[Brietta]

The announcement says "The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits."  Very little of that has been done in Portugal, so they must have busy elsewhere.

Thinking about that makes what you say obvious.

Scotland Yard would have required to make more formal requests to carry out interviews in Portugal ... the PJ would have been able to do all that with far more discretion.

Therefore it may be that SY have made a clean sweep of British and international scenarios (can't remember how many letters of request were sent out) while the PJ have worked their side of it in Portugal.
There is every suggestion that the PJ and SY are working together on this one.

**Snip
"We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case," Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley from the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

"The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry."

He added that officers in Portugal remained "fully committed" to the investigation.
http://www.news24.com/World/News/UK-police-scale-back-hunt-for-missing-Maddie-20151028?