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Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #180 on: October 29, 2015, 11:55:19 PM »
Which part of this from the latest Met statement suggests that they have discounted criminal involvement of a stranger?

"The investigation team has taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. Having reviewed all of the documents, 7,154 actions were raised and 560 lines of enquiry identified, and over thirty international request to countries across the world asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.

Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest. A total of 650 sex offenders have also been considered as well as reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world".
did anyone say they had discounted stranger abduction?...try and stay on track, they have never confirmed  it either whch matches their statements that they have open minds.....sigh...why do iqs here keep going down and down

Offline VIXTE

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #181 on: October 29, 2015, 11:57:45 PM »
It is not very clear but to me it looks like tomorrow front pages are suggesting that the McCanns would start a new private investigation.

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #182 on: October 29, 2015, 11:59:04 PM »
The volume of the work they have accomplished is jaw dropping and very far from the image portrayed of the laid back holiday lifestyle.
Operation Grange have worked their socks off and they deserve congratulation for the hard work they have put in.

I think the fact they followed up on reports of 8,685 potential sightings indicates that they have most certainly not given up on finding a living child.
Its not about not giving up on finding a live child, its called an investigation with a budget....wherever it leads
Theyve done no more much than the original investigation whch should also be clapped!! For the same reasons

Nearly 9000 sightings? you need to get a grip on reality maybe.




Offline pathfinder73

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #183 on: October 30, 2015, 12:03:16 AM »
So no evidence whatsoever that The Met have changed their minds about a crimnal act by a stranger then?  No, I thought not.

I told you ages ago that they will investigate all possibilities and eliminate them until they are left with one. They've spent over 10 million to get to that stage. They won't get rid of 25 detectives before they reach that final stage.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #184 on: October 30, 2015, 12:17:14 AM »
Its not about not giving up on finding a live child, its called an investigation with a budget....wherever it leads
Theyve done no more much than the original investigation whch should also be clapped!! For the same reasons

Nearly 9000 sightings? you need to get a grip on reality maybe.

The point you fail to grasp is that if the original investigation had not been so badly botched Scotland Yard would not have been required to follow through on so many leads which had been ignored.
One example of which are the British children assaulted in their beds.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #185 on: October 30, 2015, 12:22:51 AM »
The point you fail to grasp is that if the original investigation had not been so badly botched Scotland Yard would not have been required to follow through on so many leads which had been ignored.
One example of which are the British children assaulted in their beds.
It has been reported holidaymakers children (no toddlers) were molested, not abducted, hello..?
Dont be so ridiculous..you can of course go hunting paedophiles  to the ends of every country in the world if you like and then say, well, not every lead has been checked out

As for "botched" people in glass houses????

The mccanns ensured they botched the start by contaminating the so called crime scene...yawn...they also botched the investigation by crapping on the police from the start in every way you can thnk of...not as if they had an agenda was it? God forbid

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Offline Brietta

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #186 on: October 30, 2015, 12:29:58 AM »
It has been reported holidaymakers children (no toddlers) were molested, not abducted, hello..?
Dont be so ridiculous..you can of course go hunting paedophiles  to the ends of every country in the world if you like and then say, well, not every lead has been checked out

As for "botched" people in glass houses????

The mccanns ensured they botched the start by contaminating the so called crime scene...yawn...they also botched the investigation by crapping on the police from the start in every way you can thnk of...not as if they had an agenda was it? God forbid

Please be assured it is not the responsibility of the victims to secure a crime scene ... that is one of the main diligences which should be carried out by the police.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #187 on: October 30, 2015, 12:31:48 AM »
Please be assured it is not the responsibility of the victims to secure a crime scene ... that is one of the main diligences which should be carried out by the police.

its not up to you either to blame police for somethng they didnt do, duh!

Offline mercury

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #188 on: October 30, 2015, 12:50:49 AM »
Does anyone have a link to precisely what Andy Redwood said?. Preferably with a few sentences either side.
I thought the gist of what he said was, approximatively:
"we have identified a time slot when an abduction could have taken place and if it did it would have been a criminal act by a stranger".

100 per cent plus correct but some numbskulls here dispute the actual FACTS


Alfred R Jones

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Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #189 on: October 30, 2015, 08:12:26 AM »
I told you ages ago that they will investigate all possibilities and eliminate them until they are left with one. They've spent over 10 million to get to that stage. They won't get rid of 25 detectives before they reach that final stage.
I'm not really very interested in what you told me.  I know for a fact that this is not how police investigations work.  They don't spend millions of pounds and man hours investigsting child sex abusers and then decide, because they can't link any one of them to the crime of Madeleine's disappearance that it must be the parents wot dunnit.  That is just ridiculous.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #190 on: October 30, 2015, 08:33:52 AM »
100 per cent plus correct but some numbskulls here dispute the actual FACTS

it  is 100% wrong...

stephen25000

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Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #191 on: October 30, 2015, 08:36:25 AM »
it  is 100% wrong...

In what way ?

Offline Benice

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #192 on: October 30, 2015, 09:37:13 AM »
I'm not really very interested in what you told me.  I know for a fact that this is not how police investigations work.  They don't spend millions of pounds and man hours investigsting child sex abusers and then decide, because they can't link any one of them to the crime of Madeleine's disappearance that it must be the parents wot dunnit.  That is just ridiculous.

Indeed.

If that's how the police operate -  Kerry Needham must be worried to death in case the police don't find out what happened to Ben.   Especially as no evidence of an abduction was found - and we only have the family's word for what happened.   So what happens if no links to anyone else at all can be established?  That only leaves the family. 

In both these cases family and friends have been ruled out as suspects.    The suggestion by some that if no perpetrators are found - the police will then conclude it was the family who did the deed is just plain silly - and is a product of major 'wishful thinking' on their part IMO.

AFAIK - taking into account the 'wishful thinking' of armchair detectives doesn't form part of a police officer's training.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #193 on: October 30, 2015, 09:42:53 AM »

McCanns: We’ll never give up
SUN EXCLUSIVE: £750k in Maddie fund

EXCLUSIVE by ANTONELLA LAZZERI
published
10 hours ago


THE parents of missing Madeleine McCann yesterday vowed to carry on the search for her when the police hunt is over.

Kate and Gerry McCann have already ringfenced the rest of the cash in the Find Madeleine Fund, around £750,000, to pay for a team of private investigators — believed to be former police officers.

It will be the FOURTH team of investigators employed by the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics.

Yesterday The Sun told how the police hunt for Madeleine, who vanished aged three from Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, is being scaled down from 29 cops to four.



The Met’s Operation Grange could be shelved as early as the New Year amid complaints from MPs over its £11million cost.

But a source close to the McCanns said yesterday: “They are very much of the mind, ‘We will never give up’ and they won’t. They have spearheaded the hunt for Madeleine themselves before and will do so again if they have to.”

The family’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “Should the need arise for a private investigation to be resumed, they have made sure they have enough money left in Madeleine’s fund.”

8 years of false leads, spiralling police costs and heartache


TWENTY-five cops who have spent more than four years searching for Madeleine McCann were yesterday preparing to clear their desks at Belgravia police station.

A staff of four officers will stay on the case for now — with the inquiry expected to be wound down completely in the New Year.

So how did it come to this eight years after Madeleine vanished?

No one could fail to sympathise with Kate and Gerry McCann’s plight and their endless courage in trying to find their daughter.

But last night serious questions were being asked about the wisdom of the ultimately futile investigation.



How could an inquiry that to date has cost more than £11million seemingly achieve so little?

The British taskforce, which at its height was 37-strong, has yet to make a single arrest, despite 560 lines of inquiry and 60 suspects.

It also became mired in a spending controversy with some cops staying in the £200-a-night five-star Hotel Dona Filipa during visits to Portugal. Last year there were 67 flights to the country by cops costing £16,000, with overtime on top.

So what were all these officers actually doing?

Lengthy process . . . £11m has been spent on 4-year-long hunt
Lengthy process . . . £11m has been spent on 4-year-long hunt Chris Eades

A former Met Police officer who knew two Detective Chief Inspectors working on Operation Grange, said the mood among the squad is “muted”. He told The Sun last night: “Everyone wanted to do their best for Madeleine but they are not miracle workers.”

Another well-placed source added: “What seemed obtainable at the start seemed impossible in the end.”

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 after an open letter by the McCanns to David Cameron was printed in The Sun.

It had been four years since Madeleine, three, disappeared from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

The McCanns were desperate for a British police review as they believed the Portuguese authorities had hopelessly bungled their investigation. Funded by the Home Office, it was initially given a budget of £5million.

The family were overjoyed by the move and certainly in the early days it offered them much hope.

Detective Inspector Hamish Campbell, the first head of Operation Grange, said within months that his team were investigating new leads, new sightings and new lines of inquiry.

Two years on, his successor Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood gave the McCanns the greatest hope of all, declaring: “I still genuinely believe that there is a possibility that she is alive.”

He added that his team had examined 30,500 documents from Portuguese police files and had identified 38 “persons of interest”.

He said the operation had shifted from “review” to investigation.

Arrival . . . UK police have travelled on 67 flights to Portugal, but no arrests
Arrival . . . UK police have travelled on 67 flights to Portugal, but no arrests

By the latest count, the Met claims “7,154 actions had been raised” and 560 lines of inquiry identified. They had identified more than 60 persons of interest and 650 sex offenders were also investigated.

But the numbers mask the chaos going on behind the scenes.

In June last year UK search teams spent seven days scouring wasteland around Praia da Luz.

Sniffer dogs, helicopters and ground-penetrating radar were called in. TV crews and reporters from around the world flooded into the seaside village believing a body was about to be found — but nothing was unearthed.

Portuguese cops said all the areas had been already been searched several times since Madeleine went missing.

In July 2014 British cops flew to Portugal to question four new suspects. But they had to wait while they were quizzed by Portuguese police and were not allowed to ask questions themselves.

In December last year they returned to question another ten — with the same result.

To date, the operation’s most important line of inquiry was a three-man burglary team whose mobile phones placed them near the McCanns’ apartment at the time Madeleine vanished. But so far no one has been arrested or even questioned.

The winding-down of the operation will be welcomed by some.

In March soaring costs and lack of progress prompted Met Police Federation chairman John Tully to question whether it should continue.

He said: “We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world which have nothing to do with London.”

Luxury digs . . . cops stay in 5-star accommodation, such as Hotel Dona Filipa
Luxury digs . . . cops stay in 5-star accommodation, such as Hotel Dona Filipa

Former Flying Squad Commander John O’Connor claimed it had been launched as a “humanitarian act” by Mr Cameron and the Met Commissioner. He said: “I’d hope the parents of any child in the same position would be offered the same sort of review.”

Madeleine’s case was always a special one. Never has a missing child received so much worldwide focus. Indeed, the average amount spent on investigating a missing child is around £2,400.

Last year 140,000 under-18s went missing, with campaign posters and a localised police investigation all most parents would expect.

It was Madeleine’s cute appearance that some believe ignited the huge interest in her disappearance. The image of her frozen in time aged three, huge blue eyes peeping out from beneath her fringe, captured the hearts of millions.

The constant looping of a video of her dancing at Christmas added further support and, within months, £1million had been donated to the Find Madeleine fund.

A powerful PR machine and the McCanns’ enormous strength kept the story in the public eye.

Kate, 47, previously told The Sun she and Gerry, also 47, will never rest unless they discover the truth.



Consultations are already believed to have taken place with private investigators who may be able to help them. But they have been here three times before.

The first team they hired were Spaniards, Metodo 3, in September 2007. Their director Francisco Marco boasted: “Madeleine will be home by Christmas.” He added: “We know who the kidnappers are and we are very, very close to catching them.” They were followed in May 2008 by Oakley International — an “A-Team” of former British special forces soldiers and US security agents run by Brit Kevin Halligen.

He was later exposed as a fraudster and jailed after being tracked down by The Sun. He was also alleged to have fleeced the Find Madeleine Fund out of £150,000.

The third team were Alpha Investigations, run by ex-RUC officer David Edgar and former Merseyside detective Arthur Cowley.

They were hired after the Portuguese cops shelved their investigation in the summer of 2008.

And after drawing yet more blanks, they stepped down when Operation Grange was launched in 2011. The McCanns, who earlier this week thanked Operation Grange cops for their “meticulous” work, can only hope their new private search will bring more success.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scotland Yard announce that Maddie investigation team cut to four officers.
« Reply #194 on: October 30, 2015, 09:50:35 AM »

The Three Man Burglary Team aren't going to answer any question.  They are all Arguidos.