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Offline Myster

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2015, 03:16:44 PM »
If you want Episodes 1 and 3 but not 2 unfortunately, see here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlC9bHHXMho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwy-rcKpBGk

You know what to do Holly  ?>)()< ... and choose 720pHD for best quality.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2015, 04:55:05 PM »
You mean your ill-informed theories about draw-back, back spatter and GSR where you refuse to take into account that SIZE MATTERS!

Everything I posted about ballistics and blood evidence is accurate.  You on the other hand make up things to suit your agenda.  Bias can be harmful which is why lawyers who represent themselves have a fool for a client. Pretending things are how you wish accomplishes less than nothing.

One has to take the evidence as it is and deal with it.  I presented the only ways Jeremy could get his conviction quashed:

1) if Julie changed her testimony

or

2) proving that the blood in the moderator was planted AND either: a) blood found in the rifle muzzle was concealed or b) the fatal wound was not a contact wound or for some other reason not a wound that would result in drawback.

One can choose to be productive and analyze these things or be a fool and waste their time on meaningless crap that will accomplish nothing. 

No one has turned up any evidence Julie has changed her tune so that is a dead end.  No evidence has been turned up regarding her telling anyone a different story so as to justify her being forced to submit to questioning by any government bodies or defense counsel.  So this is a dead end unless she were to voluntarily come forward to change her testimony. If that happened a CCRC submission could be made based on it but if it never happens then can't be.

Nor is there anything to support the blood was planted in the moderator and blood found int he rifle itself was concealed.  Unless and until someone confessed to doing such there will not be any evidence to support such.  So again nothing can be done it is simply a matter of IF someone were to come forward then the opportunity to raise such claim would present itself.  The claims made would have to be investigated to try to find corroboration etc but only a confession of sorts would get the ball rolling.

There is no hope of proving the fatal wound wasn't a wound that would result in drawback. There is not enough evidence existing for review to be able to challenge Vanezis' assessment. Nothing in the photos enable such a conclusion and nothing Vanezis recorded would be able to refute his conclusions what he asserted supported his conclusions.  This is why the defense wasn't able to challenge such at trial. 

The biased games you engage in don't help your cause at all they just demonstrate you are unreliable.  I posted a source explaining where GSR lands when firing a semi-auto 22LR like the murder weapon. It based such on testing and even showed the GSR plume which was captured by using a special camera.  You chose to ignore this and simply make up that no rifle period will leave GSR on hands because you read a generalized statement that IN GENERAL long guns don't leave GSR on shooting hands.  Generalized claims that don't take account variation between weapons can only go so far.  There are always exceptions to generalizations.  You choose to ignore specifics that prove you wrong and to instead run with broad generalizations that are inaccurate to the facts here.  Taht doesn't help prove Jeremy innocent and doesn't help your reputation.

The things you make up like that rifles don't leave GSR on hands or that Your fantasy about 22LR not being able to result in drawback simply render you not credible.

 

 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2015, 05:24:19 PM »
Everything I posted about ballistics and blood evidence is accurate.  You on the other hand make up things to suit your agenda.  Bias can be harmful which is why lawyers who represent themselves have a fool for a client. Pretending things are how you wish accomplishes less than nothing.

One has to take the evidence as it is and deal with it.  I presented the only ways Jeremy could get his conviction quashed:

1) if Julie changed her testimony

or

2) proving that the blood in the moderator was planted AND either: a) blood found in the rifle muzzle was concealed or b) the fatal wound was not a contact wound or for some other reason not a wound that would result in drawback.

One can choose to be productive and analyze these things or be a fool and waste their time on meaningless crap that will accomplish nothing. 

No one has turned up any evidence Julie has changed her tune so that is a dead end.  No evidence has been turned up regarding her telling anyone a different story so as to justify her being forced to submit to questioning by any government bodies or defense counsel.  So this is a dead end unless she were to voluntarily come forward to change her testimony. If that happened a CCRC submission could be made based on it but if it never happens then can't be.

Nor is there anything to support the blood was planted in the moderator and blood found int he rifle itself was concealed.  Unless and until someone confessed to doing such there will not be any evidence to support such.  So again nothing can be done it is simply a matter of IF someone were to come forward then the opportunity to raise such claim would present itself.  The claims made would have to be investigated to try to find corroboration etc but only a confession of sorts would get the ball rolling.

There is no hope of proving the fatal wound wasn't a wound that would result in drawback. There is not enough evidence existing for review to be able to challenge Vanezis' assessment. Nothing in the photos enable such a conclusion and nothing Vanezis recorded would be able to refute his conclusions what he asserted supported his conclusions.  This is why the defense wasn't able to challenge such at trial. 

The biased games you engage in don't help your cause at all they just demonstrate you are unreliable.  I posted a source explaining where GSR lands when firing a semi-auto 22LR like the murder weapon. It based such on testing and even showed the GSR plume which was captured by using a special camera.  You chose to ignore this and simply make up that no rifle period will leave GSR on hands because you read a generalized statement that IN GENERAL long guns don't leave GSR on shooting hands.  Generalized claims that don't take account variation between weapons can only go so far.  There are always exceptions to generalizations.  You choose to ignore specifics that prove you wrong and to instead run with broad generalizations that are inaccurate to the facts here.  Taht doesn't help prove Jeremy innocent and doesn't help your reputation.

The things you make up like that rifles don't leave GSR on hands or that Your fantasy about 22LR not being able to result in drawback simply render you not credible.


We've been all over this time and time again and I don't intend to repeat myself.  You will never accept you are wrong.  Even when proven wrong you lie and cheat.

What credentials do you have in biology, medical pathology or ballistics?  None.  No more than I do.  But I do know, and take into account, that size matters with regard to ammo, draw-back, back spatter and GSR.  Something you will never admit to as it flattens your ill-informed theories.  And more importantly I do appreciate that what was available 30 years ago in terms of SoC reconstruction, ballistics, and medical pathology is a world away to what is available today.

I'll wait to see all the stuff that is being worked on behind the scenes thank you  8(0(*


Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2015, 09:45:53 PM »
We've been all over this time and time again and I don't intend to repeat myself.  You will never accept you are wrong.  Even when proven wrong you lie and cheat.

What credentials do you have in biology, medical pathology or ballistics?  None.  No more than I do.  But I do know, and take into account, that size matters with regard to ammo, draw-back, back spatter and GSR.  Something you will never admit to as it flattens your ill-informed theories.  And more importantly I do appreciate that what was available 30 years ago in terms of SoC reconstruction, ballistics, and medical pathology is a world away to what is available today.

I'll wait to see all the stuff that is being worked on behind the scenes thank you  8(0(*

My education and experience is sufficient for me to be able to comprehend the issues, science, law and evidence with extreme clarity.

You can live in fantasyland all you like.  I prefer to face reality.  There is no scientific testing which could help Jeremy. It is established fact drawback gets inside 22LR moderators. Your desire to prove it not possible is as useful as wishing you can fly without any mechanical help.  You can jump out of a plane or off a tall structure but that simply amounts to falling/gliding not flying.   
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2015, 12:13:05 AM »
My education and experience is sufficient for me to be able to comprehend the issues, science, law and evidence with extreme clarity.

You can live in fantasyland all you like.  I prefer to face reality.  There is no scientific testing which could help Jeremy. It is established fact drawback gets inside 22LR moderators. Your desire to prove it not possible is as useful as wishing you can fly without any mechanical help.  You can jump out of a plane or off a tall structure but that simply amounts to falling/gliding not flying.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2015, 06:43:43 AM »
Errrm, so skis and poles are not  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _ ?  (to be completed).
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2015, 01:09:31 PM »
Errrm, so skis and poles are not  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _   _ _ _ _ ?  (to be completed).

Not mechancial in terms of machinery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLXDXh9SQo

There's more than one way to skin a cat  8((()*/
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2015, 04:53:37 PM »
Not mechancial in terms of machinery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLXDXh9SQo

There's more than one way to skin a cat  8((()*/

A ski jumping is akin to gliding for a short period it doesn't count as flying anymore than jumping up the air for 2 seconds does or pole vaulting would.  In the meantime like hang gliding and pole vaulting it utilizes tools aka skis and poles.  Mechanical means tools not simply machinery otherwise a hang glider would suffice. 

"MECHANICAL
1a (1) :  of or relating to machinery or tools"

So you sewing together giant wings to attach to your arms (a variation of a glider) would not count either for that 
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

david1819

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Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2015, 08:08:29 PM »
My education and experience is sufficient for me to be able to comprehend the issues, science, law and evidence with extreme clarity.



You can live in fantasyland all you like.  I prefer to face reality.



Source - Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensics. edition 2015
By Vincent J.M. DiMaio, M.D

There is no scientific testing which could help Jeremy. It is established fact drawback gets inside 22LR moderators. Your desire to prove it not possible is as useful as wishing you can fly without any mechanical help. 


Offline puglove

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2015, 10:53:39 PM »
We've been all over this time and time again and I don't intend to repeat myself.  You will never accept you are wrong.  Even when proven wrong you lie and cheat.

What credentials do you have in biology, medical pathology or ballistics?  None.  No more than I do.  But I do know, and take into account, that size matters with regard to ammo, draw-back, back spatter and GSR.  Something you will never admit to as it flattens your ill-informed theories.  And more importantly I do appreciate that what was available 30 years ago in terms of SoC reconstruction, ballistics, and medical pathology is a world away to what is available today.

I'll wait to see all the stuff that is being worked on behind the scenes thank you  8(0(*

Obviously I have no idea what's being worked on behind the scenes, Holl, but wouldn't they have to recreate the original scene somehow? And wouldn't that involve a (living) young woman (appropriately medicated), the gun, the silencer (on and off), a bedroom carpet and a bible? I do hope that Bamber isn't holding his breath.    8(8-))

On a lighter note, it looks like he might just get to play Pie Face with the Yorkshire Ripper after their scrummy Christmas lunch! Good times!
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2015, 11:29:39 PM »

... and then watch a special screening of the Queen's Christmas Message Tesko's Toilet Talk for even more laughs.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline puglove

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2015, 11:50:42 PM »
... and then watch a special screening of the Queen's Christmas Message Tesko's Toilet Talk for even more laughs.

Ha!! That would be so brilliant!!

"May husband and Ay are having a massive dump on a victoria sponge in support of Jeremy Bamber. And Ay am talking like Clint Eastwood to be even more of a tit. Don't you know."
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2015, 12:17:21 AM »
So....Bamber has 2 supporters left. Poor old mad Mike with his brain rumour......and angry old, housebound Peggy Mount.

It really, really isn't looking very good.


 8)><(
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2015, 02:52:06 PM »
Obviously I have no idea what's being worked on behind the scenes, Holl, but wouldn't they have to recreate the original scene somehow? And wouldn't that involve a (living) young woman (appropriately medicated), the gun, the silencer (on and off), a bedroom carpet and a bible? I do hope that Bamber isn't holding his breath.    8(8-))

On a lighter note, it looks like he might just get to play Pie Face with the Yorkshire Ripper after their scrummy Christmas lunch! Good times!

Fortunately there's enough hard data eg SoC photos, pathology reports, expert testimony to apply modern forensic science to the prosecution case against JB for example SoC reconstruction and forensic photo analysis. 

I would suggest the photo that has done the rounds showing wet blood running does not fall into the category of forensic photo analysis but rather 'manipulation' at the hand of dodgy lawyer de Stefano.

http://www.forensicresources.co.uk/forensic-photographic-analysis.php

http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~toby/papers/spie.pdf

If accurate measurments of WHF do not exist (I doubt they do) hopefully the Eatons will oblige by allowing an appropriately qualified person to enter WHF with a laser distance measuring tools to enable a crime scene reconstruction. 

It should also be possible to determine the decibels from gunshots from room to room.

The above is by no means exhaustive. 

Does any expert testimony exist re SC's ability to use the rifle in terms of experience and any interaction with her prescribed medication?  I haven't see any. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: It is never too late to change ones mind.
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2015, 02:54:25 PM »
So....Bamber has 2 supporters left. Poor old mad Mike with his brain rumour......and angry old, housebound Peggy Mount.

It really, really isn't looking very good.


 8)><(

I don't believe the Blue forum represents the level of support for JB's case. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?