My thoughts on the bamber murders by Sherlock

[Myster]

If 20 police officers examined SC's feet it was certainly 20 more than examined and missed the bloody silencer in the gun cupboard!

Ahemm... Language!!!

[Holly Goodhead]

bamber did.when it was  put back you cant be sure. also dci jones had told them it was suicide and bamber had put the rifle in the scene .he did not tell them anything about a silencer.so why would they make an inventory.it was a suicide theres the rifle that was used.what have the other guns got to do with the events of that morning.

After the raid team broke in and busted the door Peter Eaton or David Boutflour (cant recall which) slept outside in Chris Nevill's camper van so I dont think JB had the opportunity to re-enter WHF unnoticed before the relatives found the silencer on 10th Aug.

Given the SoC and the other weapons held at WHF I would like to think the police would conduct a thorough search of the gun cupboard even if only to check all the licences were in order.

[rotti]

After the raid team broke in and busted the door Peter Eaton or David Boutflour (cant recall which) slept outside in Chris Nevill's camper van so I dont think JB had the opportunity to re-enter WHF unnoticed before the relatives found the silencer on 10th Aug.

Given the SoC and the other weapons held at WHF I would like to think the police would conduct a thorough search of the gun cupboard even if only to check all the licences were in order.

checking licences would not have given them any evidence.to help with the crime that morning.they could do it at any point.unless they wanted to charge sheila with not having one.'joke'so bamber never returned to the farm before the 10th can never be proven.he could have come back covertly and replaced the silencer.can you show any proof he never returned before the 10th

[rotti]

After the raid team broke in and busted the door Peter Eaton or David Boutflour (cant recall which) slept outside in Chris Nevill's camper van so I dont think JB had the opportunity to re-enter WHF unnoticed before the relatives found the silencer on 10th Aug.

Given the SoC and the other weapons held at WHF I would like to think the police would conduct a thorough search of the gun cupboard even if only to check all the licences were in order.

is there some official written evidence that they slept in a camper van out side the house from the moment the police broke the door in or any time after.or is it hearsay

[rotti]

The Silencer did exist.  It was found where it shouldn't have been.

S'il vous plait is just a polite way of saying, "If you please."  It's French.

So can we get back to The Silencer?

what would you like explained about the silencer

[Eleanor]

Mmmm... I can see this being more difficult to convince you than I thought!

There are different opinions as to the severity of her physical and mental condition. Haloperidol has sedative-like effects. According the CAL's interview with Sheila's closest friend, Tora Tomkinson, Sheila was incapable of getting up from a seated position without help only a week or so before the murders. On the night in question she sounded vacant and vague ("like a zombie") on the phone to June's sister. Jeremy stated that she never participated in the kitchen conversation that night concerning the future of her twins.

My own view is that she was woken up by the noise of the fracas in the main bedroom and on the stairs, and the struggle between Jeremy and his dad in the kitchen; saw the body of June lying on the floor, then tried to hide in the Box Room adjacent to her parents' bedroom, or crouched down so as not to be seen at Nevill's side of the bed when she heard her brother come back upstairs.

You seriously didn't think I would be coerced that easily, did you?

Ho Ho, the plot thickens.  So Sheila was totally moribund, was she?  So how would she have been capable of hiding?
But she was still alive when Jeremy was killing his Father.  After he killed his mother.  So Sheila just sat there and waited for Jeremy to kill her?

At what point did he kill The Twins?

You will have to bear with me on this because I have just picked up on a few things that I see as discrepancies, if I was ever interested in the first place.
But I am ever logical, and there doesn't seem to have been much logic applied to this.

[Myster]

checking licences would not have given them any evidence.to help with the crime that morning.they could do it at any point.unless they wanted to charge sheila with not having one.'joke'so bamber never returned to the farm before the 10th can never be proven.he could have come back covertly and replaced the silencer.can you show any proof he never returned before the 10th

I think if he'd returned the moderator later than on the night he would have disassembled and thoroughly cleaned it to make sure no blood or paint was inside or out. He had to think on the fly when he realised that Sheila wouldn't be able to reach the trigger with the PH fitted, which is why it was a rushed clean-up and concealment job. White House farm was under police control immediately after the murders (and fitted with a new alarm system) until the family were allowed back in. So if Bamber slipped backed in, he was bloody lucky not to get caught.

[Holly Goodhead]

is there some official written evidence that they slept in a camper van out side the house from the moment the police broke the door in or any time after.or is it hearsay

It's in AE's WS that either PE or DB slept in Cris Nevill's campervan until the door was replaced/alarm installed.  Dont forget JM was with him thereafter.  It was harvest time too so the Foakes who lived in the cottages on Pages Lane would be around from dawn to dusk too. 

[Eleanor]

what would you like explained about the silencer

When was it used?  Why was it used?  Why was it found where it was?  Why was it not where it should have been when The Police found it, according to their scenario?

Can you tell me that?

[rotti]

When was it used?  Why was it used?  Why was it found where it was?  Why was it not where it should have been when The Police found it, according to their scenario?

Can you tell me that?

i can give you my opinion.it was used on the morning of the murders.to keep the sound of the shots to a minimun ..why he didnt put it back in the gun cupboard i cant explain.i think ann eaton found it not the police.

[rotti]

I think if he'd returned the moderator later than on the night he would have disassembled and thoroughly cleaned it to make sure no blood or paint was inside or out. He had to think on the fly when he realised that Sheila wouldn't be able to reach the trigger with the PH fitted, which is why it was a rushed clean-up and concealment job. White House farm was under police control immediately after the murders (and fitted with a new alarm system) until the family were allowed back in. So if Bamber slipped backed in, he was bloody lucky not to get caught.

i agree it could have been a rush job .and he may have wanted to exit the farm house quickly.because as i suggested before if june was screaming before she was killed. he could not be sure the foakes didnt hear the screams.

[rotti]

You seriously didn't think I would be coerced that easily, did you?

Ho Ho, the plot thickens.  So Sheila was totally moribund, was she?  So how would she have been capable of hiding?
But she was still alive when Jeremy was killing his Father.  After he killed his mother.  So Sheila just sat there and waited for Jeremy to kill her?

At what point did he kill The Twins?

You will have to bear with me on this because I have just picked up on a few things that I see as discrepancies, if I was ever interested in the first place.
But I am ever logical, and there doesn't seem to have been much logic applied to this.

i think the twins were shot last.they were no danger to him.we have to ask someone who takes the medication sheila was on ,about  drowsy side effects with that medication.also the 2 people that could say whether sheila was a heavy sleeper or not 'are dead and bamber is a lier.so we will never know if she was awake or not.she may well have been comforting june at the doorway and heard bamber coming back up the stairs with not enough time to get clean away she could have tryed to lay flat behind nevilles bed

[APRIL]

Did Bamber even need Neville or June out of bed ?

He could simply say Neville/June phoned while on the bed. The bedroom phone was next to both of them.

There was no phone in the bedroom. Jeremy had allegedly played Box and Cox with the house phones

[Myster]

You seriously didn't think I would be coerced that easily, did you?

Ho Ho, the plot thickens.  So Sheila was totally moribund, was she?  So how would she have been capable of hiding?
But she was still alive when Jeremy was killing his Father.  After he killed his mother.  So Sheila just sat there and waited for Jeremy to kill her?

At what point did he kill The Twins?

You will have to bear with me on this because I have just picked up on a few things that I see as discrepancies, if I was ever interested in the first place.
But I am ever logical, and there doesn't seem to have been much logic applied to this.

I think she was sufficiently alert to attempt to hide, though obviously not successfully. It seems odd that she was found wedged up tight against her father's side of the bed, whereas if she was totally out of it with medication she might have been killed in her own room.

The whole incident imo happened quickly, within a few minutes at the most. It only takes around 4 to 5 seconds to fire off a 10 round magazine. Sheila might not have realised that it was her brother, but thought it could have been a burglar or someone with a grievance against Nevill.  Bamber might have been masked or blacked up to conceal his identity too, so she didn't recognize him. People have different reactions when having a rifle pointed at them, but being dozy and depressed could have made her more compliant than normal.

I believe the twins were last in line. Between them they took eight shots, thought by Vanezis to have been fired successively, which meant the magazine would be almost empty and have needed refilling before he attempted to kill his parents. Hence more time wasted. Shooting the twins first would also make enough noise to waken his parents and put them on their guard, which is why they were first to be killed.

[Holly Goodhead]

Given my stance on the case SC committing suicide in the main bedroom is one of the mysteries for me.  I can only specualte over the reasons such as comforting Crispy if he/she was distressed (she was a known animal lover); best vantage point from the main bedroom window to view all the goings on outside especially if she was paranoid she had previously thought the CIA were following her so seeing all the police and TFU with firearms might have really freaked her out especially the loud hailer; June's bible perhaps it was one she knew June marked highlighting text she wanted to read.