My thoughts on the bamber murders by Sherlock

[rotti]

I am not offended.  Sheesh, why is it not possible to disagree with a man, and have a hearty discussion without offending his manhood.

I love PugLove half to death.  I just don't agree with her, frequently.

i dont feel offended by anything you have said.and unlike most men you can have a hearty discussion with me ;my manhood is so small if it got offended i would just slap it and it would fall back in line

[rotti]

Don't assume.  I am crackers, always have been.  I can promise you that.  But this is just not making sense.

Only Sheila was deemed to be mentally unwell.  And I have always thought that she was the most likely to have dun it.

eleanor we will try and make you a believer in bambers guilt.forget about bamber and just look at sheila .scientists report .no blood on sheilas hands or feet no gunshot residue on her hands or dress.no one had ever seen her fire a rifle .she may have know how to load a magazine but she would not have know how to chamber a round so the rifle could fire.tests done in the lag and shown to the court that loading 10 rounds in that rifle would leave considerable amounts of residue on the testers hands .nowhere near that amount was found.the amount found was only enough for someone one handling household stuff.when you can see sheila could not have done it .it makes bamber guilty by default

[Eleanor]

yes is was unwell but not suicidal or psychotic.but bamber was greedy.and we know what human beings can do when engrossed in greed.humans will do the most unimaginable things for money

No, I don't really know what human beings can do.  Perhaps I am naive.  I never assume.  But I only saw this as a discussion.
And to say that Jeremy Bamber was greedy is only your opinion.  For all I know he could have hated them all for very different reasons, or even not at all.  Perhaps he is a psychopath. I don't know.  But he doesn't look like one to me.  And I am just uneasy about his conviction.  The Police did not handle this very well, even you must be able to see this.
 
But it has been a pleasure for me to talk to you.  It has been a sojourn away from The Madeleine McCann Forum, which is where I mostly have to be.
That lot could make minced meat out of you.  They frequently make minced meat out of me.  And No, I do not believe that The McCanns dun it..  That is always the rub.  Some of us believe in the best of human nature, and some of us don't. 
Personally, I believe that it is genetic, but that gets a bit difficult because who can know?  But at least I have not spent my life thinking the .worst of anyone.
I will always look for reasons to defend them rather than look for reasons to condemn them.

But there you go. Tell me why this woman appears  to have made no attempt to protect her children.

[Eleanor]

i dont feel offended by anything you have said.and unlike most men you can have a hearty discussion with me ;my manhood is so small if it got offended i would just slap it and it would fall back in line

Now that is funny.  Well done you.

[Eleanor]

eleanor we will try and make you a believer in bambers guilt.forget about bamber and just look at sheila .scientists report .no blood on sheilas hands or feet no gunshot residue on her hands or dress.no one had ever seen her fire a rifle .she may have know how to load a magazine but she would not have know how to chamber a round so the rifle could fire.tests done in the lag and shown to the court that loading 10 rounds in that rifle would leave considerable amounts of residue on the testers hands .nowhere near that amount was found.the amount found was only enough for someone one handling household stuff.when you can see sheila could not have done it .it makes bamber guilty by default

"By Default" is simply not good enough.  Can you not see that?  Did they find Gun Shot Residue on Jeremy Bamber?

And please don't tell me that The Police left it for too long.  Even I in my ignorance know that.

And how long do you think it would take me to suss out how to load a gun?  Sheila had been around guns for most of her life, while I don't have the first idea.  I could do it in about two minutes..  It's hardly rocket science.
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But I am simply trying to make a case for his innocence

Incidentally, do you remember  The Birminigham  Six?  Or was it The Manchester Ten?  Hand forensics mean nothing. 

The Police cock up sometimes,  and they badly did on this one.  Any minute now you will be telling me that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile.  Although they appear to have more evidence against him than they ever had against Jeremy Bamber

[adam]

That has really upset me, and made me even more suspicious.  There is no logic to what you say. 
So Jeremy went down the stairs, for what reason?  And then came up again to shoot Sheila who was comforting her already dead mother when she knew that Jeremy was likely to shoot her and her children.  While making no attempt to protect her children?
This does not make sense.

Oh, and you don't know that Jeremy is a liar.  Excepting of course that The Jury thought he was..

Much as I am loathed to say it, because there never was a less perfect parent than I,  I would have been fighting him tooth and bloody claw if I thought he was going to actually kill my children.  I would not have been comforting my already dead mother.  I would have been with my children.  Why was she not?

Sheila didn't wake. There was no blood on her feet and hands. Which there would have been if she had attended to June.

The twins didn't wake either. The rifle with the silencer is virtually silent.

Bamber shot Sheila once, last,  in bed and carried her out of  bed to make it look like she had been up. Then shot her again in the main bedroom when he realised she was still alive.

[adam]

"By Default" is simply not good enough.  Can you not see that?  Did they find Gun Shot Residue on Jeremy Bamber?

And please don't tell me that The Police left it for too long.  Even I in my ignorance know that.

And how long do you think it would take me to suss out how to load a gun?  Sheila had been around guns for most of her life, while I don't have the first idea.  I could do it in about two minutes..  It's hardly rocket science.
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But I am simply trying to make a case for his innocence

Incidentally, do you remember  The Birminigham  Six?  Or was it The Manchester Ten?  Hand forensics mean nothing. 

The Police cock up sometimes,  and they badly did on this one.  Any minute now you will be telling me that Jimmy Savile was a paedophile.  Although they appear to have more evidence against him than they ever had against Jeremy Bamber

You answered you're own question. No gun shot residue on Bamber as he wasn't investigated for several weeks. Why was there no gun shot residue on Sheila. Or oil.

Sheila had to chamber and load the rifle, twice and shoot everyone accurately. Bamber testified she had 'limited' experience with guns. I suspect she had none.

Can you explain how Sheila successfully committed the massacre ? Point by point. You need to include two chambers and reloads, one/two telephone calls from Neville and Neville's horrific  beating.

There is a forensic evidence library on another forum. It's currently half completed, but currently has a mountain of forensic evidence against Bamber.

[adam]

No, I don't really know what human beings can do.  Perhaps I am naive.  I never assume.  But I only saw this as a discussion.
And to say that Jeremy Bamber was greedy is only your opinion.  For all I know he could have hated them all for very different reasons, or even not at all.  Perhaps he is a psychopath. I don't know.  But he doesn't look like one to me.  And I am just uneasy about his conviction.  The Police did not handle this very well, even you must be able to see this.
 
But it has been a pleasure for me to talk to you.  It has been a sojourn away from The Madeleine McCann Forum, which is where I mostly have to be.
That lot could make minced meat out of you.  They frequently make minced meat out of me.  And No, I do not believe that The McCanns dun it..  That is always the rub.  Some of us believe in the best of human nature, and some of us don't. 
Personally, I believe that it is genetic, but that gets a bit difficult because who can know?  But at least I have not spent my life thinking the .worst of anyone.
I will always look for reasons to defend them rather than look for reasons to condemn them.

But there you go. Tell me why this woman appears  to have made no attempt to protect her children.

The police changed direction after one month. This was after evidence was processed and Julie came forward. Nothing sinister in that.

Some police were suspicious from the start, it was probably more the media that were bigging up the murder/suicide theory. It made good press.

[Holly Goodhead]

You answered you're own question. No gun shot residue on Bamber as he wasn't investigated for several weeks. Why was there no gun shot residue on Sheila. Or oil.

Sheila had to chamber and load the rifle, twice and shoot everyone accurately. Bamber testified she had 'limited' experience with guns. I suspect she had none.

Can you explain how Sheila successfully committed the massacre ? Point by point. You need to include two chambers and reloads, one/two telephone calls from Neville and Neville's horrific  beating.

There is a forensic evidence library on another forum. It's currently half completed, but currently has a mountain of forensic evidence against Bamber.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6629.msg272805#msg272805

[Myster]

It wasn't windy neither was there any inclement weather inside the bedroom and Sheila didn't move her hands after she was shot dead. You're trying to make out that Cooke waved Sheila's hand all over the place for ages, when in fact it was only slightly moved to examine and photograph blood stains or lack of, on her hands and nightie.

[Holly Goodhead]

It wasn't windy neither was there any inclement weather inside the bedroom and Sheila didn't move her hands after she was shot dead. You're trying to make out that Cooke waved Sheila's hand all over the place for ages, when in fact it was only slightly moved to examine and photograph blood stains or lack of, on her hands and nightie.

DC Hammersly must have moved SC's hands significantly to place them in polythene bags and then secure the bags in place.  Further significant movement occurred when they were removed at the path lab.  After all that her hands were swabbed.  Anything of evidential value left in the bags was lost as they were not sent to the lab for forensic analysis.

[rotti]

Sheila didn't wake. There was no blood on her feet and hands. Which there would have been if she had attended to June.

The twins didn't wake either. The rifle with the silencer is virtually silent.

Bamber shot Sheila once, last,  in bed and carried her out of  bed to make it look like she had been up. Then shot her again in the main bedroom when he realised she was still alive.

excellent summary adam

[Holly Goodhead]

excellent summary adam

Excellent if you choose to believe adam over Dr Vanezis    I know who my money is on 

[adam]

https://youtu.be/8ow_YqRICT4

This is how quiet a similar rifle is with a silencer.

[rotti]

Excellent if you choose to believe adam over Dr Vanezis    I know who my money is on 

yes i do as a matter of fact.the bunglar dr vanezis and the other doctor were fooled by bambers acting and they were already approaching the scene with murder suicide theory.and thats how they were accessing the evidence around them.adam has had 29 years to look at this case without rushing to any conclusions hence makes his opinion equal to the doctors &%+((£.