Author Topic: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?  (Read 334461 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2016, 09:17:12 PM »
100% true...verifiable fact and evidenced in thousands of posts


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posts do not constitute evidence ...there are far more posts on other forums that the world is flat

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #121 on: January 01, 2016, 09:17:32 PM »
at the moment we have no confrmation of this so called initial confession...if you wish to believe in things without evidence...it is up yo you...my beliefs are based on evidence

What evidence ?


CITE.

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #122 on: January 01, 2016, 09:18:28 PM »
posts do not constitute evidence ...there are far more posts on other forums that the world is flat

Cite.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #123 on: January 01, 2016, 09:18:38 PM »
What evidence ?


CITE.


which beliefs are you asking about...remember the title of the thread

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #124 on: January 01, 2016, 09:20:10 PM »
Cite.


I think you will agree it is fair that as I have asked for a cite...and not received one yet...we should wait for my cite to be given first

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #125 on: January 01, 2016, 09:20:33 PM »

which beliefs are you asking about...remember the title of the thread

I  am well aware of the title of the thread.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #126 on: January 01, 2016, 09:23:54 PM »
I  am well aware of the title of the thread.

then you should stick to it

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #127 on: January 01, 2016, 09:24:01 PM »

I think you will agree it is fair that as I have asked for a cite...and not received one yet...we should wait for my cite to be given first

I suggest you read what John has said on this matter, on the Cipriano threads.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #128 on: January 01, 2016, 09:25:09 PM »
100% true...verifiable fact and evidenced in thousands of posts


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according to you.....no thanks

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #129 on: January 01, 2016, 09:27:23 PM »
at the moment we have no confrmation of this so called initial confession...if you wish to believe in things without evidence...it is up yo you...my beliefs are based on evidence

Not my fault youve missed the evidence....

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #130 on: January 01, 2016, 09:28:50 PM »
posts do not constitute evidence ...there are far more posts on other forums that the world is flat

Your and others posts about mr amaral is the evidence.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2016, 09:32:34 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #131 on: January 01, 2016, 09:29:21 PM »
Not my fault youve missed the evidence....


Torture and other ill-treatment

There were continued allegations of ill-treatment by law enforcement officials. In February, the UN Committee against Torture expressed its concern about reports of torture and other ill-treatment in prisons and the excessive use of force, including the use of firearms, by law enforcement officials. It also expressed concern at the acquisition of Taser weapons by law enforcement agencies, stating that the pain such weapons inflict constituted a form of torture.

In October, the trial began of four police officers charged with torturing Leonor Cipriano in 2004 to obtain a confession that she had killed her daughter. Medical reports and photographs of Leonor Cipriano recorded extensive injuries after two days in police custody in Faro. Police officials said that she fell down a flight of stairs in the police station; however the Institute of Forensic Medicine stated that her injuries were not consistent with such an incident and were more in keeping with an assault. Leonor Cipriano said that she was punched, kicked, had a plastic bag placed over head, and was forced to kneel on glass ashtrays during interrogations. The trial was ongoing at the end of the year.

http://www.refworld.org/docid/4a1fadc928.html


That is what amnesty international has to say

Offline mercury

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #132 on: January 01, 2016, 09:32:25 PM »

Torture and other ill-treatment

There were continued allegations of ill-treatment by law enforcement officials. In February, the UN Committee against Torture expressed its concern about reports of torture and other ill-treatment in prisons and the excessive use of force, including the use of firearms, by law enforcement officials. It also expressed concern at the acquisition of Taser weapons by law enforcement agencies, stating that the pain such weapons inflict constituted a form of torture.

In October, the trial began of four police officers charged with torturing Leonor Cipriano in 2004 to obtain a confession that she had killed her daughter. Medical reports and photographs of Leonor Cipriano recorded extensive injuries after two days in police custody in Faro. Police officials said that she fell down a flight of stairs in the police station; however the Institute of Forensic Medicine stated that her injuries were not consistent with such an incident and were more in keeping with an assault. Leonor Cipriano said that she was punched, kicked, had a plastic bag placed over head, and was forced to kneel on glass ashtrays during interrogations. The trial was ongoing at the end of the year.

http://www.refworld.org/docid/4a1fadc928.html


That is what amnesty international has to say

Nothng to do with the facts of the discussion here and now.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2016, 09:35:03 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #133 on: January 01, 2016, 09:34:18 PM »
Nothng to do with the facts of the discussion here and now.


it confirms Amnesty's position that the torture was to extract a confession
« Last Edit: January 01, 2016, 09:35:25 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2016, 09:35:52 PM »
Nothng to do with the facts of the discussion here and now.

the title of the thread...
 Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?...because she may well be a victim of a miscarriage of justice...totally on topic
« Last Edit: January 01, 2016, 09:37:36 PM by Eleanor »