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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #300 on: January 02, 2016, 05:24:15 PM »
Some are and some are not.
Guilty and innocent are absolute terms. In court "beyond reasonable doubt" is the datum.

others please note...cipriano is guilty...but not necessarily....guilty...she could be innocent

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #301 on: January 02, 2016, 05:24:37 PM »
Why you suppose the sentence was suspended if the offence were that serious?

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #302 on: January 02, 2016, 05:25:44 PM »
Cite please as per Portuguese Law?

cite that she isn't as you made the post first...certainly in the UK she would be entitled..

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #303 on: January 02, 2016, 05:26:08 PM »
It's Guilty or Not Guilty, tried suspects are never declared innocent.

"You leave this Court without a stain on your character."  Perhaps I imagined that one.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #304 on: January 02, 2016, 05:29:16 PM »
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Presactly.
So the idea of a serially bent copper starts to look a bit thin if up to the time of his being charged and tried (2004-2009) he had been of previous good character as they say.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #305 on: January 02, 2016, 05:31:26 PM »
others please note...cipriano is guilty...but not necessarily....guilty...she could be innocent

She's definitely guilty of a conspiracy along with her thug brother.  As she is a convicted liar one must view her initial confession with suspicion.
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #306 on: January 02, 2016, 05:34:01 PM »
cite that she isn't as you made the post first...certainly in the UK she would be entitled..

 Can you honestly see a child killer being given compensation from the public purse?  @)(++(*
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #307 on: January 02, 2016, 05:34:56 PM »
others please note...cipriano is guilty...but not necessarily....guilty...she could be innocent

As after 10 years no successful appeal has been mounted the "could be innocent" is doubtful.
I am surprised that if it were such a travesty of justice no leading brief has been mounting a charge to make a name for himself by having the sentence quashed.
One surprising thing is what turns up under "Cipriano" in search engines. Apart from the Wikipedia entry everything else is pretty much quotes from sites linked one way or another to the McCann case...... &%+((£
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #308 on: January 02, 2016, 05:35:48 PM »
"You leave this Court without a stain on your character."  Perhaps I imagined that one.

She was found guilty of one thing but could very well be guilty of another.  Leonor Cipriano is most certainly not INNOCENT sweetie.

By the same token neither are the McCanns.  At the very least they too are guilty of a gross misjudgement when it came to child care.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #309 on: January 02, 2016, 05:36:51 PM »
Can you honestly see a child killer being given compensation from the public purse?  @)(++(*

absolutely...might not seem fair but the law is the law...certainly in the UK she would be entitled to compensation

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #310 on: January 02, 2016, 05:38:58 PM »
As after 10 years no successful appeal has been mounted the "could be innocent" is doubtful.
I am surprised that if it were such a travesty of justice no leading brief has been mounting a charge to make a name for himself by having the sentence quashed.
One surprising thing is what turns up under "Cipriano" in search engines. Apart from the Wikipedia entry everything else is pretty much quotes from sites linked one way or another to the McCann case...... &%+((£

You are basing your opinion on the UK system.......Montclair was quite clear on the success rates of appeals..an absolute waste of time it would seem

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #311 on: January 02, 2016, 05:39:54 PM »
She's definitely guilty of a conspiracy along with her thug brother.  As she is a convicted liar one must view her initial confession with suspicion.

So did she confess to murder or didn't she?  How can anyone be suspicious of a confession to murder unless they think it isn't true?

I should stop digging if I were you, Angelo.  We've now got a women who did or didn't kill her daughter, and did or didn't confess after being or not being beaten.

I think that about sums it up.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #312 on: January 02, 2016, 05:40:13 PM »
Presactly.
So the idea of a serially bent copper starts to look a bit thin if up to the time of his being charged and tried (2004-2009) he had been of previous good character as they say.

who says he had been of previous good character...

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #313 on: January 02, 2016, 05:41:02 PM »
As after 10 years no successful appeal has been mounted the "could be innocent" is doubtful.
I am surprised that if it were such a travesty of justice no leading brief has been mounting a charge to make a name for himself by having the sentence quashed.
One surprising thing is what turns up under "Cipriano" in search engines. Apart from the Wikipedia entry everything else is pretty much quotes from sites linked one way or another to the McCann case...... &%+((£

Leonor Cipriano cannot appeal since she admitted knowing what happened to her daughter yet lied through her teeth from day one.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #314 on: January 02, 2016, 05:41:47 PM »
who says he had been of previous good character...

He has no prior criminal convictions unless you think you know different.  Civil cases don't count.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!