Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[ferryman]

and ?

Correia is in tbe same league as Acorah.

Enough said.

And what league would you put Amaral in?

[slartibartfast]

Back on topic please.

[Carana]

There was a young girl called Joana who went missing. Is anyone still looking for her?

No. How could Interpol list her as a missing child after the outcome of this bizarre homicide trial process?

ETA: To stay on topic, I am aware that some people who support the McCanns believe that the Joana case is one of those in which the accused were in fact guilty, just as some assume that they are innocent because of an antipathy towards Amaral.

My view is different: there is simply nothing to substantiate what happened to little Joana.

[Carana]

A different perspective is that Amaral fans somehow need to maintain that the Ciprianos are guilty, irrespective of the lack of evidence, in order to support him.

In fact, the thread that I'd started (and to which I'd contributed) on what Amaral got right in the Madeleine case must be one of the shortest on here.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6692.0

[stephen25000]

because the case has been finalised.... If Correia will discuss the case with me I will take it from there

I will await his psychic message with glee. %&5%£ %£5&% %£5&%

[Miss Taken Identity]

The reason why there is so much support for  Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters is: they believe all disgraceful parents are innocent, and have shockingly stated, on numerous occasions, they support children being left on their own, and if those children are left alone to be abused/tortured/murdered, then it is NOT the parents fault!

 It would be funny if it were not so disgusting.

[G-Unit]

A different perspective is that Amaral fans somehow need to maintain that the Ciprianos are guilty, irrespective of the lack of evidence, in order to support him.

In fact, the thread that I'd started (and to which I'd contributed) on what Amaral got right in the Madeleine case must be one of the shortest on here.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6692.0

Perhaps because it was a team which investigated Madeleine's disappearance, not one man. I for one don't know what his position entailed, so any mistakes could or could not be down to him.

[Carana]

Perhaps because it was a team which investigated Madeleine's disappearance, not one man. I for one don't know what his position entailed, so any mistakes could or could not be down to him.

He was the coordinator in the Cipriano case (same position as in the Madeleine one).

[Brietta]

He was the coordinator in the Cipriano case (same position as in the Madeleine one).

He missed the opportunity to write the book on the Cipriano case ... perhaps why his manuscript was so hot off the press when Madeleine's case was archived.
Unless he wrote and had it printed within three days??

[stephen25000]

He missed the opportunity to write the book on the Cipriano case ... perhaps why his manuscript was so hot off the press when Madeleine's case was archived.
Unless he wrote and had it printed within three days??

Never stopped kate mccann doing a book , did it ?

By the way, what happened to the money from the serialization rights in the Sun ?

[Carana]

He missed the opportunity to write the book on the Cipriano case ... perhaps why his manuscript was so hot off the press when Madeleine's case was archived.
Unless he wrote and had it printed within three days??

Cristovão got his wrist slapped by the PJ (120 days suspension). He resigned / retired /was invited to pursue other career opportunities shortly thereafter and published his "memoir" of the Cipriano case, which - judging by the summary of it posted in English - appears riddled with inaccuracies... but it rated quite well in PT book sales at the time. He then became a pundit on the PT circuit on the Madeleine case (which he wasn't involved in) and then became involved in the Sporting football club and is currently facing some heavy-duty charges.

Amaral also appears to have had his wrist slapped, albeit to a lesser degree, but it's not clear which case was in question.


Polícia Judiciária
Aviso (extrato) n.o 11666/2013
Nos termos e para os efeitos do disposto no n.o 3 do artigo 25 do Regulamento Disciplinar da Polícia Judiciária publicado no Decreto-Lei n.o 196/94 de 21 de julho, na impossibilidade, confirmada, de proceder �  notificação pessoal, por ausência, em parte incerta, notifica-se o Coordenador de Investigação Criminal, na situação de aposentado, Licenciado Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, que por despacho da Ministra da Justiça, de 26 de agosto de 2013, foi concedido provimento parcial do recurso hierárquico por si interposto do ato recorrido consubstanciado no despacho do Diretor Nacional Adjunto, de 30 de junho de 2010, tendo a pena disciplinar de multa no montante de 500,00 € sido mantida e a suspensão na sua execução sido reduzida de dois para o período mínimo de um ano, começando esta a produzir efeitos decorridos 15 dias após a publicação deste aviso no Diário da República.
6 de setembro de 2013. — Pela Diretora da Unidade, João Prata Augusto.
207241913
http://legislacaoportuguesa.com/aviso-extrato-n-o-116662013-d-r-n-o-180-parte-c-serie-ii-de-2013-09-18/

(The link may no longer work.)

[Brietta]

Cristovão got his wrist slapped by the PJ (120 days suspension). He resigned / retired /was invited to pursue other career opportunities shortly thereafter and published his "memoir" of the Cipriano case, which - judging by the summary of it posted in English - appears riddled with inaccuracies... but it rated quite well in PT book sales at the time. He then became a pundit on the PT circuit on the Madeleine case (which he wasn't involved in) and then became involved in the Sporting football club and is currently facing some heavy-duty charges.

Amaral also appears to have had his wrist slapped, albeit to a lesser degree, but it's not clear which case was in question.


Polícia Judiciária
Aviso (extrato) n.o 11666/2013
Nos termos e para os efeitos do disposto no n.o 3 do artigo 25 do Regulamento Disciplinar da Polícia Judiciária publicado no Decreto-Lei n.o 196/94 de 21 de julho, na impossibilidade, confirmada, de proceder �  notificação pessoal, por ausência, em parte incerta, notifica-se o Coordenador de Investigação Criminal, na situação de aposentado, Licenciado Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral, que por despacho da Ministra da Justiça, de 26 de agosto de 2013, foi concedido provimento parcial do recurso hierárquico por si interposto do ato recorrido consubstanciado no despacho do Diretor Nacional Adjunto, de 30 de junho de 2010, tendo a pena disciplinar de multa no montante de 500,00 € sido mantida e a suspensão na sua execução sido reduzida de dois para o período mínimo de um ano, começando esta a produzir efeitos decorridos 15 dias após a publicação deste aviso no Diário da República.
6 de setembro de 2013. — Pela Diretora da Unidade, João Prata Augusto.
207241913
http://legislacaoportuguesa.com/aviso-extrato-n-o-116662013-d-r-n-o-180-parte-c-serie-ii-de-2013-09-18/

(The link may no longer work.)

He also wrote a book on Madeleine's case and books on other missing children.  Quite a prolific author.

[Eleanor]

TOPIC.  PLEASE.

[ferryman]

I think there is support for Leonor because (most!) people understand that when torture is proven by police officers of a suspect, by police officers, while the convicted person is in police custody, the probity of any conviction is (necessarily) in question.

The point of when the beating occurred is irrelevant; proof that it happened is enough (to render the conviction unsafe).

That the term (of an unsafe conviction) should have been increased stretches credulity far beyond breaking-point.

Whilst I wouldn't put English police (per se!) above torture, still, recorded interviews makes that much more difficult, and I don't believe that the English judicial system would (ever) have convicted someone under circumstances of those of Leonor's conviction.

[stephen25000]

I think there is support for Leonor because (most!) people understand that when torture is proven by police officers of a suspect, by police officers, while the convicted person is in police custody, the probity of any conviction is (necessarily) in question.

The point of when the beating occurred is irrelevant; proof that it happened is enough (to render the conviction unsafe).

That the term (of an unsafe conviction) should have been increased stretches credulity far beyond breaking-point.

Whilst I wouldn't put English police (per se!) above torture, still, recorded interviews makes that much more difficult, and I don't believe that the English judicial system would (ever) have convicted someone under circumstances of those of Leonor's conviction.

So,  bar a few mccann supporters such as yourself, where is her support ?