Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Carana]

That is a matter of opinion.

You don't need to find a body to obtain a conviction for murder.

A body (however sad for the people who cared for the victim) generally offers clues as to what happened. In the absence of one, the rest of the evidence has to be pretty damned solid to convict people for murder.

In this case, there's no body, no proven motive, no forensic evidence, no elaborate means that could have gone undetected.

So what was there?

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[misty]

I think the justice system in Portugal makes it easier to obtain a judgement the State wants....judges can be nobbled.....and with the allegations against PPC right up to Socrates who knows what has gone on....

[Eleanor]

Putting words into my mouth ?

Did I say the McCanns are child killers ?

Of course I didn't, and you know that.

Would you have bothered about the Cipriano's but for the mccann case ?

That of course applies to both sides.

As regards the Cipriano's, there are witness statements as regards Joanna, and the confessions of the Cipriano's before Correia got involved in the case, and we know why he did that.

As I have staged before the mccann case is unlikely to be solved bar a confession, and the investigations are at a dead end.

Yes, I would have cared about The Ciprianos.  But why should you believe that.

[Mr Gray]

As murder involves a degree of premeditation..... Ciprianos is not a murderer.... Convicted of otherwise

[slartibartfast]

As murder involves a degree of premeditation..... Ciprianos is not a murderer.... Convicted of otherwise

Intent is more important than premeditation.

[Mr Gray]

Intent is more important than premeditation.

Did they intend to kill her
I thought the court ruled she hit her head

[slartibartfast]

Did they intend to kill her
I thought the court ruled she hit her head

Involuntary manslaughter is in contrast to voluntary manslaughter and occurs where a person kills, but does so without the intent to kill or cause GBH. Apart from the absence of the requisite intent, all other elements of the offence are the same as for murder.

Voluntary manslaughter involves provocation.

[Alice Purjorick]

This is from a blog that shall remain nameless but if you enter "Leonor Cipriano" into your search engine it will pop up.

"We first became aware of the dreadful account of the Cipriano family not long after Madeleine was abducted"

Maybe they still had cleft stick runners and village readers in that area?

[ferryman]

This is from a blog that shall remain nameless but if you enter "Leonor Cipriano" into your search engine it will pop up.

"We first became aware of the dreadful account of the Cipriano family not long after Madeleine was abducted"

Maybe they still had cleft stick runners and village readers in that area?

At least, in the Cipriano investigation, the fridge that was the subject of the enquiry was identified ...

Amaral was, apparently, on the brink of finding the fridge in the Madeleine enquiry at the point he was removed.

He probably still is ....

[Brietta]

It seems Leandro Silva made sure the Drs McCann were made aware of Joana's case ... it was bound to be an added concern.


Kate McCann 'being framed by Portuguese police'
Last updated at 11:17 08 August 2007

Kate McCann is being set up by Portuguese police to take the blame over Madeleine, it was claimed today.

The husband of a woman serving 16 years in another missing child case in the Algarve said: "I am worried Kate will be framed for a crime she did not commit, the way it happened to my wife."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473964/Kate-McCann-framed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz3xEX4Xq6S

[stephen25000]

It seems Leandro Silva made sure the Drs McCann were made aware of Joana's case ... it was bound to be an added concern.


Kate McCann 'being framed by Portuguese police'
Last updated at 11:17 08 August 2007

Kate McCann is being set up by Portuguese police to take the blame over Madeleine, it was claimed today.

The husband of a woman serving 16 years in another missing child case in the Algarve said: "I am worried Kate will be framed for a crime she did not commit, the way it happened to my wife."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473964/Kate-McCann-framed-Portuguese-police.html#ixzz3xEX4Xq6S

Being framed ?

I presume you can prove that  ?

[Brietta]

Being framed ?

I presume you can prove that  ?

You may not have noticed but I didn't actually say it.

As is my annoying wont ... I merely copied and pasted a newspaper report of the time ...

However had I been in the same situation as Madeleine's parents ... it would definitely have made me sit up and take notice.

[Alice Purjorick]

At least, in the Cipriano investigation, the fridge that was the subject of the enquiry was identified ...

Amaral was, apparently, on the brink of finding the fridge in the Madeleine enquiry at the point he was removed.

He probably still is ....

I don't see the relevance to my post.
I would feel a lot more convinced with "supporters" (generic not specific) being sincere in their outrage at the Cipriano case had they been actively protesting and setting up fora and so on in 2004/2005. But for a "group" to openly admit they had never heard of it until after MM disappeared leaves one thinking why the sudden interest at that point?. They have certainly achieved Felicity Arkwright wrt Leonor Cipriano's "plight" despite the noise.

[stephen25000]

You may not have noticed but I didn't actually say it.

As is my annoying wont ... I merely copied and pasted a newspaper report of the time ...

However had I been in the same situation as Madeleine's parents ... it would definitely have made me sit up and take notice.

I know what you did Brietta and why you did it.

To give the impression from a newspaper headline, about the mccanns being 'framed'.


Unlike cuddle cat,  it doesn't wash.