Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Mr Gray]

Assuming we have access to all the evidence.
We haven't seen the charge document which may well list all that was against them.
Given the case is judge driven not police driven so unless there were political pressure why would the judges and jurors "fit up" the defendants. I think it likely there is a lot we don't know but unfortunately being linked slightly tenuously to the McCann case it will always be "four legs good two legs bad" so not much chance of getting to the bottom of it without seeing all the kosher documents.

the judges and jurors don't fit up the defendants...the police do.....look what happened in the b'ham 6...guildford four...the judge looks at the evidence...the judge does not care if they are innocent or guilty...the judge cares about the law....you are totally wrong to think there are only doubts because of the mccanns...and as for your claiim....there is a lot we do not know...pure speculation

[Mr Gray]

how civilised the discussion has been tonight

[Carana]

Assuming we have access to all the evidence.
We haven't seen the charge document which may well list all that was against them.
Given the case is judge driven not police driven so unless there were political pressure why would the judges and jurors "fit up" the defendants. I think it likely there is a lot we don't know but unfortunately being linked slightly tenuously to the McCann case it will always be "four legs good two legs bad" so not much chance of getting to the bottom of it without seeing all the kosher documents.

Yes, I was wondering what this alleged 200-charge sheet was as well. It can't be the list of charges, so I'm guessing that it was the original file sent to the prosecution authority. What else could it be?

[Alice Purjorick]

Yes, I was wondering what this alleged 200-charge sheet was as well. It can't be the list of charges, so I'm guessing that it was the original file sent to the prosecution authority. What else could it be?

I don't know but I am guessing the same as you.

[Mr Gray]

I don't know but I am guessing the same as you.

i'm judging the case on the known facts...no guessing...

[Mr Gray]

the trial was held in public...everything reported in the papers...why should there be more we do not know

[ferryman]

We know, from the Madeleine investigation, that Portugal has a perfectly competent forensic laboratory.

Why wasn't it used in this investigation?

[Carana]

We know, from the Madeleine investigation, that Portugal has a perfectly competent forensic laboratory.

Why wasn't it used in this investigation?

The lab tests for what is submitted to it and what it is asked to do.

[ferryman]

The lab tests for what is submitted to it and what it is asked to do.

Or not ....

[Eleanor]

how civilised the discussion has been tonight

Yes.  Really good.

[Carana]

I don't know but I am guessing the same as you.

But isn't a 200-page submission (once you've taken into account birth certificates and all the rest of the bla, bla details) not a bit thin?

[Alice Purjorick]

the judges and jurors don't fit up the defendants...the police do.....look what happened in the b'ham 6...guildford four...the judge looks at the evidence...the judge does not care if they are innocent or guilty...the judge cares about the law....you are totally wrong to think there are only doubts because of the mccanns...and as for your claiim....there is a lot we do not know...pure speculation

Don't forget the discredited forensics.
In the one you haven't mentioned, the case of Judith Ward, the prosecution withheld evidence for eighteen years.
But they were all politically motivated one suspects.

[Alice Purjorick]

i'm judging the case on the known facts...no guessing...

OK so you tell us what was in the 200 page document as you profess to know all.

[slartibartfast]

This is a diabolical requirement, especially if one is innocent.

...and applies in the UK too.

[Alice Purjorick]

But isn't a 200-page submission (once you've taken into account birth certificates and all the rest of the bla, bla details) not a bit thin?

Who knows. I am pointing out there is a 200 page document sloshing about relevant to the case that no one on here seems to know a thing about. It might just be relevant.
In the real world I would be decidedly uncomfortable with a contract document that had 200 pages missing that I knew nothing of.