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Offline scipio_usmc

The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« on: January 03, 2016, 03:56:37 PM »
Mike and some other posters on blue constantly post the false claim that PV/20 is a different bullet than the one Vanesis removed and proof of this they claim is that PV/20 is a whole bullet because in Fletcher's report he wrote whole bullet in the description. Yet the xray shows it fragmented somewhat.  So they say this means the bullet Vanezis took out must have been replaced with a whole bullet.

The allegations don't hold up at all.  For starters PV/20 is not a whole bullet.  It weighs 2/3 as much as a complete bullet.  None of the bullet fragments examined by Fletcher were whole bullets they all weighed less than complete bullets.  The fact he chose to refer to some as whole in appearance doesn't mean they actually were.  Someone would have to ask him why he described them as whole in appearance but no one did because such description didn't matter.

They even lie by suggesting Sheila's earrings seen in the xray were bullets as well to try to pretend it was a giant bullet so fired by a police weapon.  The truth is that the shape of PV/20 in the xray matches the PV/20 that was provided to the defense expert and presented at trial.  The defense expert a greed it had been fired by the Anschutz and that it was 2/3 the weight of a whole bullet.  The tiny fragments Vanezis didn't recover add up the missing 1/3.

For all we  know Fletcher meant the whole rifling profile could be seen.  Maybe he just was talking about an assumption of it being whole by looking at the appearance and only after weighing was it clear some was missing.  hat he meant is meaningless because it is a lie that the PV/20 examined by the defense expert and presented at trial was whole, it wasn't and it is a lie that it is not the same one removed from Sheila the xray proves it was. 

So anytime Jeremy supporters try to raise this issue as part of their laundry list of why they think Jeremy is innocent and don't trust police it is obvious that they made up their minds irrationally and are desperately searching for anything they can cite to try to pretend there is a log laundry list of things that police did to frame Jeremy.

This is no better than citing the log error of 2 bodies in the kitchen and claiming a body was moved and in fact related to it because it also is part of the ridiculous argument police shot Sheila with their own weapons.  All this kind of nonsense does it expose their bias and hurt their own credibility but irrational people like Mike refuse to face that.

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« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 10:11:46 PM by John »
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Offline John

Re: The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2016, 04:19:31 PM »
Essex Police had no reason to interfere with evidence let alone swap bullets.  Mike let's his imagination get the better of him due to his own run-ins with police.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 10:03:06 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 07:39:32 PM »
Just had another look at the neck X-ray and enlarged it. If you examine the part I've circled, you can just make out an outline of something that appears to be solid and slightly darker than the lighter jawbone to the right of it. Maybe this is the part-whole remnant PV/20, and on this x-ray just didn't show up white and opaque like the metallic necklace and charm did. The whitish, round-edged fragments outside the circle resemble, and could be shattered pieces of vertebral bone (rather than bullet lead), which were propelled towards the front of her neck when the bullet hit, so appear closer to the camera and hence more prominent than the skull and vertebrae further away. In other words, the necklace, charm, and white bone fragments are in a similar plain, nearer to the viewer than PV/20, which lies further away close to the shattered 4th vertebra.

At the moment, I can't locate the colour photo of PV/20 to compare with the part circled.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 08:34:40 PM »
Just had another look at the neck X-ray and enlarged it. If you examine the part I've circled, you can just make out an outline of something that appears to be solid and slightly darker than the lighter jawbone to the right of it. Maybe this is the part-whole remnant PV/20, and on this x-ray just didn't show up white and opaque like the metallic necklace and charm did. The whitish, round-edged fragments outside the circle resemble, and could be shattered pieces of vertebral bone (rather than bullet lead), which were propelled towards the front of her neck when the bullet hit, so appear closer to the camera and hence more prominent than the skull and vertebrae further away. In other words, the necklace, charm, and white bone fragments are in a similar plain, nearer to the viewer than PV/20, which lies further away close to the shattered 4th vertebra.

At the moment, I can't locate the colour photo of PV/20 to compare with the part circled.

It is possible they are bone fragments though also possible they could be the missing 1/3 of the bullet.
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli

Offline Myster

Re: The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 09:24:45 PM »
It is possible they are bone fragments though also possible they could be the missing 1/3 of the bullet.

There might have been several radiographs taken of the neck which show the near-whole bullet in more detail. But this particular one (the only one I've seen) was obviously focused on, publicized and used as propaganda by the official site to support their claims that PV/20 shown in court was not the same as the one shattered into many pieces in the radiograph.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline scipio_usmc

Re: The nonsense claim that PV/20 was switched by police
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 09:30:52 PM »
There might have been several radiographs taken of the neck which show the near-whole bullet in more detail. But this particular one (the only one I've seen) was obviously focused on, publicized and used as propaganda by the official site to support their claims that PV/20 shown in court was not the same as the one shattered into many pieces in the radiograph.

It fails miserably though because you can clearly see PV/20's shape in the x--ray and it matches the PV/20 produced at trial. They tell the lie that PV/20 was a complete bullet though the weight was only 2/3 and the shape is identical in the x-ray.  By making the claims they reveal themselves to either be liars or extremely ignorant.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2016, 10:11:31 PM by John »
“...there are three classes of intellects: one which comprehends by itself; another which appreciates what others comprehend; and a third which neither comprehends by itself nor by the showing of others; the first is the most excellent, the second is good, the third is useless.”  Niccolò Machiavelli