Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[blonk]

Amaral was correct, Madeleine was alive at 5:30 on 3 May 2007. The sailing instructors on Thursday morning would have confirmed it.

This is a very novel approach to analysing the evidence - namely speculating on what the sailing instructors 'would have' said. I had understood that speculation was generally frowned upon in this forum.

Far better, surely, to stick to the actual evidence, which comes primarily from a report by Inspector Pinho, who actually did a reconstruction of the alleged events of the morning of Thursday 3 May, taking the two sailing instructors, Alice Standley and Chris Unworth, with him.

The two instructors were specifically asked if anyone else was with them on the sailing trips and they confirmed that it was just the two of them and the children from the creche. They made no mention of Catriona Baker, the Lobsters crèche nanny, being there, allegedly accompanying the children to the beach.

Moreover, they referred to two boats each taking three children; that makes six children in all going sailing on Thursday morning.

But seven were signed into the crèche that day - including Madeleine. 

 

[Erngath]

And who all coincidentally just happened to be insane/simple-minded enough to happily agree to becoming accessories to a heinous crime - and who were all totally unconcerned about the dire consequences to themselves and their own family's lives that agreeing to pervert the course of justice could result in.

What a stroke of luck that was for the McCanns -  to have so many mentally challenged people available to them in the same place and at the same time - just when they needed them.

What utter tosh.

Not only mentally challenged but worthy of Oscars for managing to maintain the facade of a normal happy holiday for several days, while knowing that a child who had been part of their holiday group was dead.

Utter rubbish.

[blonk]

Madeleine was the one with the twin brother and sister, a fact that would stand out like a sore thumb.

Yet how is it that a staff member can write such utter rubbish as this:

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

Date/Time: 10pm, Sunday 6th May, 2007

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him...

UNQUOTE

The evidence is absolutely clear; the McCanns themselves confirm that from Monday morning onwards they had both breakfast and lunch in their own apartment.  Cecilia do Carmo's statement is utter balderdash from start to finish.         

And that is the problem with a whole host of statements by independent people claiming to have seen Madeleine that week.

The only one that stands up to detailed scrutiny is the sighting of Madeleine, the twins, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann taking the elements of a picnic lunch up towards the Paynes' holiday apartment.

And that was on the Sunday lunchtime.

What other statements from independent witnesses that week give a clear recollection of seeing Madeleine, excluding for the moment Catriona Baker?             

[Eleanor]

May I remind Posters that we are all speculating, some more so than others.

[Benice]

Not only mentally challenged but worthy of Oscars for managing to maintain the facade of a normal happy holiday for several days, while knowing that a child who had been part of their holiday group was dead.

Utter rubbish.

Can you just imagine the conversation between Gerry and members of staff.

GM - Our little girl has just died.

Staff:    Oh how inconvenient for you I hope it hasn't spoiled your holiday  - is there anything we can do to help?

GM :  Yes - we would like you to help us to cover up her death  by lying to the police for us.

Staff:-  But of course - no probs.   We aim to please.   In the meantime would you like a spade?
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Dear oh dear oh dear..

[xtina]

So far then,  we have three couples of the McCann's plus Dianne all agreeing to cover up a death of a child.   We have the nannies,  parents of the children going to the crèche,  the cleaner,  staff who served Madeleine her tea,  the mother whose child played football with Madeleine,   the man who give the police a photo of his children with Madeleine in the background etc. etc.   ALL lying to cover up the death of 'Mary'.

Isn't it strange that all these people who covered up the death of a child,  all happened to be holidaying at the OC at the same time as the McCann's.

Ridiculous.

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo.....

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

statement proved wrong...so it could have been elle....  maddie was mistaken for..... 

Boyde family ......did they ever make a statement to police ...or was it just to a cheap  magazine

were they staying at the Ocean Club or did they have a just visitor pass for the pool

who was the man who gave a photo to the police with maddie in the background ....where is the photo

Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - They didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-


Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.




can anyone find anything to prove maddie was seen after the sunday.........or do they ...THINK they saw maddie

[Lace]

Yet how is it that a staff member can write such utter rubbish as this:

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo

Date/Time: 10pm, Sunday 6th May, 2007

When asked, she says that she knows the parents, the siblings and Madeleine. She received them for breakfast on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, she does not know whether they went for breakfast on Sunday or Monday, as these were her days off.

She says that breakfast was served between 08.00 and 10.00 and that the McCanns would arrive between 08.00 and 09.00.

She says that the McCanns appeared to be a normal family and that the relation between the members of the family was very good. Madeleine appeared to be very attached to her father and was always clinging on to him...

UNQUOTE

The evidence is absolutely clear; the McCanns themselves confirm that from Monday morning onwards they had both breakfast and lunch in their own apartment.  Cecilia do Carmo's statement is utter balderdash from start to finish.         

And that is the problem with a whole host of statements by independent people claiming to have seen Madeleine that week.

The only one that stands up to detailed scrutiny is the sighting of Madeleine, the twins, Gerry McCann and Kate McCann taking the elements of a picnic lunch up towards the Paynes' holiday apartment.

And that was on the Sunday lunchtime.

What other statements from independent witnesses that week give a clear recollection of seeing Madeleine, excluding for the moment Catriona Baker?           

That is one person blonk,   the Mrs. Boyde said her son played football with Madeleine.

[Erngath]

Can you just imagine the conversation between Gerry and members of staff.

GM - Our little girl has just died.

Staff:    Oh how inconvenient for you I hope it hasn't spoiled your holiday  - is there anything we can do to help?

GM :  Yes - we would like you to help us to cover up her death  by lying to the police for us.

Staff:-  But of course - no probs.   We aim to please.   In the meantime would you like a spade?
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Dear oh dear oh dear..

It's nonsense.
How would the group of friends be approached to help.
Each couple told separately about the tragic event and asked to join in perverting the course of justice, or asked to meet somewhere to be told in one large group and asked to help.

Was a plan formed for the next few days with all details discussed?


Sorry Eleanor if I am speculating?
Delete if necessary.

[xtina]

That is one person blonk,   the Mrs. Boyde said her son played football with Madeleine.

Does k mcc mention "the nice lady by the pool" in her book

yes she did ....but was it only to a magazine...you don't know it was maddie either

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/first-19-05-07.htm

Does k mcc mention "the nice lady by the pool" in her book

not saying these people covered anything up in my previous post ....only they could have thought they saw maddie but didn't

[Eleanor]

It's nonsense.
How would the group of friends be approached to help.
Each couple told separately about the tragic event and asked to join in perverting the course of justice, or asked to meet somewhere to be told in one large group and asked to help.

Was a plan formed for the next few days with all details discussed?


Sorry Eleanor if I am speculating?
Delete if necessary.

Speculating is fine by me, within reason.  There isn't anything else we can do.

[jassi]

Does k mcc mention "the nice lady by the pool" in her book

yes she did ....but was it only to a magazine...you don't know it was maddie either

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/1may7/first-19-05-07.htm

Does k mcc mention "the nice lady by the pool" in her book

not saying these people covered anything up in my previous post ....only they could have thought they saw maddie but didn't

That's right. Nobody knew what Madeleine looked like, and in my opinion, still don't.

[Benice]

So are we supposed to believe that none of the other children at the Kiddies club ever played with or spoke to Madeleine - or that no other families were EVER  present at the swimming pool, or the play area, or the tennis courts or having tea at the Tapas, or at the beach,   at the same time the McCann family were there  -  and that every time they were walking around PdL - not another soul was about?   What nonsense. 

Families which include twins are more noticeable than other families and attract more attention. .  I have no doubt there are loads of holidaymakers/locals/children who would have recognised Madeleine as a little girl they saw in PdL  from pictures of her on TV and in the press and who could confirm that -  if necessary.

The fact is -  that wasn't necessary  - as the PJ had more than enough evidence from other folk  that Madeleine was around until she disappeared on 3rd May.

[Lace]

Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo.....

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

statement proved wrong...so it could have been elle....  maddie was mistaken for..... 

Boyde family ......did they ever make a statement to police ...or was it just to a cheap  magazine

were they staying at the Ocean Club or did they have a just visitor pass for the pool

who was the man who gave a photo to the police with maddie in the background ....where is the photo

Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - They didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-


Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.




can anyone find anything to prove maddie was seen after the sunday.........or do they ...THINK they saw maddie

Why would Kate McCann mention everyone she met on holiday in her book?

Why would Mrs. Boyd lie?   her son was playing with Madeleine and she spoke to Kate,  I think she would remember that somehow after seeing posters of Madeleine everywhere.

Why would all the friends and Dianne Webster lie to the police?

[Carana]

Maria Manuela Antonia Jose, Tapas cook for children's high tea:

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

Ella had gone to the Paraiso for tea, which leaves Madeleine as the only girl of a similar age. The other two from Lobsters were boys.

[jassi]

Why would Kate McCann mention everyone she met on holiday in her book?

Why would Mrs. Boyd lie?   her son was playing with Madeleine and she spoke to Kate,  I think she would remember that somehow after seeing posters of Madeleine everywhere.

Why would all the friends and Dianne Webster lie to the police?

I don't think they did lie as such, they just made their testimony so vague, woolly and contradictory  that police couldn't make sense of it.