Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[lordpookles]

oh sorry, i see you are simply suggesting falsifying the creche records. Too complicated and really unlikely imo. Does R.Hall really make a case for such a thing in this doc, because the last one was terrible after a not bad showing in the first doc.

[blonk]

Apart from all the parents etc at the creche who may have seen this Maddie imposter as well or a whole host of other possible witnesses and would have pointed that out when the pics were released a few weeks later.

In my hypothesis, there was not a 'Mary impostor'.

I simply postulated an absent Mary with the crèche nanny allowing the parents to enter an absent child on the crèche register.

For that matter, what statements do we actually have from other parents of the 'Lobsters' group that week? 

[misty]

oh sorry, i see you are simply suggesting falsifying the creche records. Too complicated and really unlikely imo. Does R.Hall really make a case for such a thing in this doc, because the last one was terrible after a not bad showing in the first doc.

The general gist is this:-
Mr Hall has ascertained that the "photoshopped" last picture (the one beside the swimming pool) is honestly & truly not photoshopped. Its date-stamp. however, can be altered.
Mr Hall has decided that the weather conditions displayed in the last photo are not consistent with the records he has from Faro(?) airport weatherstation so it is necessary to alter the date of the last photo.
Mr Hall has decided that the photo must have been taken on Sun. 29th April due to those pictured not displaying any sign of a suntan.
Mr Hall has decided that all entries on the creche records for Madeleine after Sunday were falsified by a nanny as Madeleine did not actually attend the creche.
Mr Hall has decided that all those who reportedly saw Madeleine during the week either mistook her for Ella/didn't actually see her at all/were unreliable witnesses. (There were a few witnesses who were genuinely mistaken imo)
Mr Hall has decided that no independent witness whose statement is in the PJ files actually saw Madeleine after the Sunday so that is probably when she died.
Quite why the parents & their friends didn't wait until the following Saturday to report Madeleine missing & not mess up the last full day of their holiday is not touched upon.

[lordpookles]

In my hypothesis, there was not a 'Mary impostor'.

I simply postulated an absent Mary with the crèche nanny allowing the parents to enter an absent child on the crèche register.

For that matter, what statements do we actually have from other parents of the 'Lobsters' group that week?

I don't know what statements we have, but we don't have the complete files, so it could be unknown whether the creche parents were interviewed. Anyway, someone would have alerted the police by now if that was not Madeleine at the creche and the audaciousness of such a plan is just not credible. Unless of course you want to be caught. Interesting postulation, but one I think can be safely ruled out. Is this possible in your opinion?

[lordpookles]

The general gist is this:-
Mr Hall has ascertained that the "photoshopped" last picture (the one beside the swimming pool) is honestly & truly not photoshopped. Its date-stamp. however, can be altered.
Mr Hall has decided that the weather conditions displayed in the last photo are not consistent with the records he has from Faro(?) airport weatherstation so it is necessary to alter the date of the last photo.
Mr Hall has decided that the photo must have been taken on Sun. 29th April due to those pictured not displaying any sign of a suntan.
Mr Hall has decided that all entries on the creche records for Madeleine after Sunday were falsified by a nanny as Madeleine did not actually attend the creche.
Mr Hall has decided that all those who reportedly saw Madeleine during the week either mistook her for Ella/didn't actually see her at all/were unreliable witnesses. (There were a few witnesses who were genuinely mistaken imo)
Mr Hall has decided that no independent witness whose statement is in the PJ files actually saw Madeleine after the Sunday so that is probably when she died.
Quite why the parents & their friends didn't wait until the following Saturday to report Madeleine missing & not mess up the last full day of their holiday is not touched upon.

Haha, not a surprise that he took this angle. One of the more outlandish theories regarding photo manipulation etc that i've heard in other forms before. I just wonder whether he actually believes this stuff he says?

[Brietta]

The general gist is this:-
Mr Hall has ascertained that the "photoshopped" last picture (the one beside the swimming pool) is honestly & truly not photoshopped. Its date-stamp. however, can be altered.
Mr Hall has decided that the weather conditions displayed in the last photo are not consistent with the records he has from Faro(?) airport weatherstation so it is necessary to alter the date of the last photo.
Mr Hall has decided that the photo must have been taken on Sun. 29th April due to those pictured not displaying any sign of a suntan.
Mr Hall has decided that all entries on the creche records for Madeleine after Sunday were falsified by a nanny as Madeleine did not actually attend the creche.
Mr Hall has decided that all those who reportedly saw Madeleine during the week either mistook her for Ella/didn't actually see her at all/were unreliable witnesses. (There were a few witnesses who were genuinely mistaken imo)
Mr Hall has decided that no independent witness whose statement is in the PJ files actually saw Madeleine after the Sunday so that is probably when she died.
Quite why the parents & their friends didn't wait until the following Saturday to report Madeleine missing & not mess up the last full day of their holiday is not touched upon.

His premise is wrong.

Carana has carried out research on the weather and posted this and a few subsequent posts today, which shows that he is wrong.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311821#msg311821

He has formulated a theory using flawed data.
What is it they say ... 'rubbish in - rubbish out' ... I think that may be one classic example.

Thanks for taking the trouble to wade through it and informing us of these anomalies, Misty.

That gives two points to mull over ... his allegation re Mrs Fenn and his mistake about the weather, at least he has dropped the various photo-shopping extravaganzas put about in relation to this photograph ... so that must be one point in his favour.

[misty]

His premise is wrong.

Carana has carried out research on the weather and posted this and a few subsequent posts today, which shows that he is wrong.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311821#msg311821

He has formulated a theory using flawed data.
What is it they say ... 'rubbish in - rubbish out' ... I think that may be one classic example.

Thanks for taking the trouble to wade through it and informing us of these anomalies, Misty.

That gives two points to mull over ... his allegation re Mrs Fenn and his mistake about the weather, at least he has dropped the various photo-shopping extravaganzas put about in relation to this photograph ... so that must be one point in his favour.

I should also add that Hall claims the "last photograph" was not on the DVDs prepared in the UK from GM's camera. It wasn't released until 24/5, after GM had been back to the UK & possibly collaborated to alter the meta-data on it with his photography expert brother-in-law Rickman. (see DVD3).
Mrs Fenn - I will pm you with something possibly of interest shortly.

[pathfinder73]

Oh dear the Murat angle is on-going. The Smiths covering for their great friend nevermind everyone else in fantasy luzland  Amaral was correct, Madeleine was alive at 5:30 on 3 May 2007. The sailing instructors on Thursday morning would have confirmed it.

[misty]

Oh dear the Murat angle is on-going. The Smiths covering for their great friend nevermind everyone else in fantasy luzland  Amaral was correct, Madeleine was alive at 5:30 on 3 May 2007. The sailing instructors on Thursday morning would have confirmed it.

The sailing instructors would not have known who Madeleine was.
Mr Hall said only 6 children went sailing, not 7, according to the files.
Sorry, P/F - does this mess up your own theory? Must admit, Hall has set me thinking but everyone knows I am away with the fairies too.

[pathfinder73]

The sailing instructors would not have known who Madeleine was.
Mr Hall said only 6 children went sailing, not 7, according to the files.
Sorry, P/F - does this mess up your own theory? Must admit, Hall has set me thinking but everyone knows I am away with the fairies too.

My theory can't be disproved.

[misty]

My theory can't be disproved.

Of course it can. Smithman wasn't wearing gloves. End of.

[Mr Gray]

My theory can't be disproved.

Neither can alien abduction

[Lace]

So far then,  we have three couples of the McCann's plus Dianne all agreeing to cover up a death of a child.   We have the nannies,  parents of the children going to the crèche,  the cleaner,  staff who served Madeleine her tea,  the mother whose child played football with Madeleine,   the man who give the police a photo of his children with Madeleine in the background etc. etc.   ALL lying to cover up the death of 'Mary'.

Isn't it strange that all these people who covered up the death of a child,  all happened to be holidaying at the OC at the same time as the McCann's.

Ridiculous.

[Benice]

So far then,  we have three couples of the McCann's plus Dianne all agreeing to cover up a death of a child.   We have the nannies,  parents of the children going to the crèche,  the cleaner,  staff who served Madeleine her tea,  the mother whose child played football with Madeleine,   the man who give the police a photo of his children with Madeleine in the background etc. etc.   ALL lying to cover up the death of 'Mary'.

Isn't it strange that all these people who covered up the death of a child,  all happened to be holidaying at the OC at the same time as the McCann's.

Ridiculous.

And who all coincidentally just happened to be insane/simple-minded enough to happily agree to becoming accessories to a heinous crime - and who were all totally unconcerned about the dire consequences to themselves and their own family's lives that agreeing to pervert the course of justice could result in.

What a stroke of luck that was for the McCanns -  to have so many mentally challenged people available to them in the same place and at the same time - just when they needed them.

What utter tosh.

[Lace]

And who all coincidentally just happened to be insane/simple-minded enough to happily agree to becoming accessories to a heinous crime - and who were all totally unconcerned about the dire consequences to themselves and their own family's lives that agreeing to pervert the course of justice could result in.

What a stroke of luck that was for the McCanns -  to have so many mentally challenged people available to them in the same place and at the same time - just when they needed them.

What utter tosh.

It is really unbelievable that people would lap this rubbish up.

Can you imagine the McCann's going to see the Nanny and saying 'oh, our child died, we need to cover her death up,  can we pretend we have a child going to the crèche?.

They say that others could have been mistaken about seeing Madeleine as there were other blonde children,  well Madeleine was the one with the twin brother and sister,  a fact that would stand out like a sore thumb.