Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[stephen25000]

I gave him 2 bob and told him to keep the change!.

lol He wanted to sell it.  I don't think his work is accurate- some of it is interesting and some of it worth discussing, I only watched the first 10 mins... oops sorry.

Well, you managed 5 minutes more than me.

[Carana]

All this is made plain on his website, and also on the McCann-doubter forums.

People buy his videos to have, to watch again, to share with friends etc. etc. - and many comments add as a further reason for buying the Madeleine films: "So we still have copies in circulation in case the McCanns try to ban them".

Also @ ShiningInLuz    Hall publishes responses to his films and offers to correct any proven inaccuracies. He has a contact address on his website. Why not ask him your question about the weather charts direct? - he will probably answer you after his current tour ends. I have looked at available weather reports that week on the Algarve myself - and without question they all show that Saturday and Sunday (28th, 29th April 2007) were very sunny and warm, followed during Monday by a cold front which brought cooler, cloudier, windier weather - and some rain - for the rest of the week   

Where did you find the weather charts? What was the source?

Quite aside from that, I still can't quite understand why so much of the first episode was based on the notion that parents had to pick up their children from the crèche HQs and then walk them over themselves to the Tapas restaurant when that was clearly not the case. Any ideas as to where this assumption came from?

[Miss Taken Identity]

Well, you managed 5 minutes more than me.

  Well , I was painting my toe nails at the same time...

[ShiningInLuz]

All this is made plain on his website, and also on the McCann-doubter forums.

People buy his videos to have, to watch again, to share with friends etc. etc. - and many comments add as a further reason for buying the Madeleine films: "So we still have copies in circulation in case the McCanns try to ban them".

Also @ ShiningInLuz    Hall publishes responses to his films and offers to correct any proven inaccuracies. He has a contact address on his website. Why not ask him your question about the weather charts direct? - he will probably answer you after his current tour ends. I have looked at available weather reports that week on the Algarve myself - and without question they all show that Saturday and Sunday (28th, 29th April 2007) were very sunny and warm, followed during Monday by a cold front which brought cooler, cloudier, windier weather - and some rain - for the rest of the week   

I'm more than happy to look at the weather reports for the Algarve that week.  I've have tried to do so before.  The only one I am aware of at this point in time is work that has been done for the weather station in Faro.

That one is better than nothing, but hardly precise for Luz.

Richard has made a comment on my blog in the past, and he is welcome to do so again.  Whether it is his place or my place is not the point.

This thread appeared to me to have been started by someone who had more intelligence about Mr Hall's theory than I did.  So my starting point for info was on here, in case someone could point me in the right direction.

I have no idea where Mr Hall posts in general, or how to get in touch with him.

[blonk]

Where did you find the weather charts? What was the source?

Quite aside from that, I still can't quite understand why so much of the first episode was based on the notion that parents had to pick up their children from the crèche HQs and then walk them over themselves to the Tapas restaurant when that was clearly not the case. Any ideas as to where this assumption came from?

1. I just used 'Google' and searched 'Weather''Reports''Algarve'. You can do the same. You'll find exactly what I did all along the Algarve: Sat/Sun: WARM, SUNNY >>> Mon/Tues/Weds/Thurs: COOLER, LOTS OF CLOUD, WINDIER, SHOWERS

2. There is a conflict of evidence on this point, and I guess that Richard, the same as anyone else, has to decide which evidence to prefer. This statement is pretty clear:

Extract from the statement of Sarah Elizabeth Williamson: 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm

She says that the twins were generally left at the creche at 09.00 and that the parents dropped them off before leaving Madeleine in her classroom. Then between 12.00 and 12.30 the parents would pick up the twins until 15.00. Between 17.00 and 17.30 the parents would COLLECT THE TWINS FROM THE CRECHE.

Also, do a complete analysis of the drop-off and pick-up times of (a) the twins and (b) Madeleine that week. You'll find something very interesting

[blonk]

I have no idea where Mr Hall posts in general, or how to get in touch with him.

Via the RICHPLANET website

[ShiningInLuz]

1. I just used 'Google' and searched 'Weather''Reports''Algarve'. You can do the same. You'll find exactly what I did all along the Algarve: Sat/Sun: WARM, SUNNY >>> Mon/Tues/Weds/Thurs: COOLER, LOTS OF CLOUD, WINDIER, SHOWERS

2. There is a conflict of evidence on this point, and I guess that Richard, the same as anyone else, has to decide which evidence to prefer. This statement is pretty clear:

Extract from the statement of Sarah Elizabeth Williamson: 

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm

She says that the twins were generally left at the creche at 09.00 and that the parents dropped them off before leaving Madeleine in her classroom. Then between 12.00 and 12.30 the parents would pick up the twins until 15.00. Between 17.00 and 17.30 the parents would COLLECT THE TWINS FROM THE CRECHE.

Also, do a complete analysis of the drop-off and pick-up times of (a) the twins and (b) Madeleine that week. You'll find something very interesting

My apologies, but you will have to be a lot more clearer than that.

I am currently 2.5 hours through Mr Hall's 4 hours analysis of what happened.  Meaning only 1.5 hours to go.

Plus, I have a backdated promise to Sadie to try to contribute to her Sadie's Theory thread.

Plus, I have my first Ghoul's Tour coming up.  Don't worry about this one.  It has nothing to do with ghouls and it is all under control.  I think.

Then there is our imminent house purchase and move.  So nothing big in the background.

[mercury]

IMO the vast majority of statements are completely honest Mercury, and if there's any that are only almost completely honest just by leaving a few things out it's a very small number.

so does that mean you believe it was a stranger abduction or woke and wondered scenario then? Or possibly an aaccident/killing in the apartment by a stranger and body hidden (just going by your past posting about the bath panels not being checked etc) or have you no clear belief/indication? Obviously you don't have to say if you don't want to.

[blonk]

IMO the vast majority of statements are completely honest Mercury, and if there's any that are only almost completely honest just by leaving a few things out it's a very small number.

Given the mass of blatant contradictions in the respective statements of Dr David Payne and Dr Kate McCann about an alleged visit by Payne to the McCanns' apartment at about 6.30pm on 3rd May (I have counted 20 in all), would you place either statement in the 'completely honest' or 'almost completely honest' categories?

If 'yes', which one?

This is a hugely significant set of contradictions as it purports to be the very last time that anyone apart from the McCanns saw Madeleine alive.     

[mercury]

Given the mass of blatant contradictions in the respective statements of Dr David Payne and Dr Kate McCann about an alleged visit by Payne to the McCanns' apartment at about 6.30pm on 3rd May (I have counted 20 in all), would you place either statement in the 'completely honest' or 'almost completely honest' categories?

If 'yes', which one?

This is a hugely significant set of contradictions as it purports to be the very last time that anyone apart from the McCanns saw Madeleine alive.   

I tend to agree with this as Payne saying he went into the apartment and watched the kids playing and noticed many things bout them and chatting to Kate for 3-5 minutes is miles away from Kate saying he just knocked on the door, didn't come in and was there for 30 seconds..chalk and bleedin cheese

[pathfinder73]

Given the mass of blatant contradictions in the respective statements of Dr David Payne and Dr Kate McCann about an alleged visit by Payne to the McCanns' apartment at about 6.30pm on 3rd May (I have counted 20 in all), would you place either statement in the 'completely honest' or 'almost completely honest' categories?

If 'yes', which one?

This is a hugely significant set of contradictions as it purports to be the very last time that anyone apart from the McCanns saw Madeleine alive.   

That's the final piece of the jigsaw.

[blonk]

That's the final piece of the jigsaw.

This looks very much like an extraordinarily flippant response to a very serious set of clear contradictions. 

[Alfred R Jones]

This looks very much like an extraordinarily flippant response to a very serious set of clear contradictions.

Don't worry Blonk, Pathfinder is thinking along the same lines as you...

[Mr Gray]

This looks very much like an extraordinarily flippant response to a very serious set of clear contradictions.

the offer to remove any proven false statements is a Celestial teapot argument...your position is one therefore of a Celestial Teapot Believer and are not in a position to criticise others of flippancy

[Benice]

Given the mass of blatant contradictions in the respective statements of Dr David Payne and Dr Kate McCann about an alleged visit by Payne to the McCanns' apartment at about 6.30pm on 3rd May (I have counted 20 in all), would you place either statement in the 'completely honest' or 'almost completely honest' categories?

If 'yes', which one?

This is a hugely significant set of contradictions as it purports to be the very last time that anyone apart from the McCanns saw Madeleine alive.   

Why would Dr Payne or Kate McCann have any reason to remember down to the last second, -  something which at the time was so insignificant and which would have been totally overshadowed anyway by what happened a few hours later?     

Dr Payne remembered stepping inside the apartment.  KM only remembers seeing him at the open door.  So what?    it's not as if one is claiming he came in and sat down and Kate is saying that he stood outside and shouted to her through the patio door.   Dr Payne thinks he was there for around 3-5 mins and Kate remembers around 30 seconds.  Again  so what?  different people have completely different perceptions of the passage of time.  Nothing at all odd in that.

IIRC Amaral stated that Kate said Dr Payne was there for 30 secs  while Gerry claimed he was in the apartment for 30 mins.    He seemed to think this was a major discrepancy.     However, IMO it's arrant nonsense as GM could not possibly know how long Dr Payne was at 5a - because he wasn't there.    Gerry was obviously referring to the time Dr Payne was gone from the tennis courts.    Again - not necessarily totally accurate but again - so what? 

None of the above was remotely important at the time it happened and so no-one felt the need to carefully commit any of it to their memories in precise detail for future reference.

It was only later that they had to try to recall it in detail.   The idea that unless everyone came up with identical times and identical descriptions of what happened during a trivial few minutes out of a whole day's activities  - then someone is being dishonest -  is preposterous IMO.


Quote from DC Ferguson (JT's rogatory statement) regarding the fallibility of memory.

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.