Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Mr Gray]

I will have a look at your analysis of the weather in Praia da Luz on Thursday 3 May later, but you are in some difficulty about that, aren't you? - seeing that Kate McCann herself said that the weather was cool and she should have put a cardigan on Madeleine. She doesn't look like she needs a cardigan in the 'Last Photo', does she?

And look just how cold it became in the evening, in the words of the Tapas 9 themselves:

Of the evening temperature, the McCanns’ friend Dr Matthew Oldfield says: 

“In the evenings it was very cold”

His wife Rachael Oldfield says:

“It was really cold in the evenings”

Dr David Payne says:

“It was really quite cold some nights and you know perhaps too cold to be sat outside”

while his wife Fiona Payne says

“It was still very cold”

Fiona’s mother, Dianne Webster, said

“…when they were brought up into their apartment and they would have had to come out into the cold…”

Dr Russell O’Brien says

“The nights were really quite chilly”,

while his partner Jane Tanner, the McCanns’ friend who said she might have seen the abductor walking away from near the McCanns’ apartment, complained of the cold that evening and made an issue of collecting her partner’s thick jumper or fleece for him during  the evening.

And to cap it all, Kate McCann herself said of the weather that day:

''It was, I remember, very cold and windy and I discovered five layers of clothing were required to keep me comfortable.''

Come on, Carana, end your historical revisionism about the weather! You can't change weather facts now.

And why did you ask me AGAIN about the temperature charts? I told you to ask Richard Hall himself and told you how to contact him, i.e. via the RichPlanet website.

All your quotes re weather are from the evening...even the desert is cold in the evening

[Alice Purjorick]

All your quotes re weather are from the evening...even the desert is cold in the evening

There is a fundamental difference here though isn't there?

[xtina]

What's the connection between a pleasant ambient temperature in the early afternoon sunshine and a chilly wind at night?

Do you support the weather chart in the Hall "exposé" or whatever it may be called, or don't you?

Yes or no will suffice.

yes or no doesn't always suffice does it though...

i find on the  chart [sun hours ] you put up ....starts at the 3rd of may ...till the 31st of may ....non of the 28th onwards...when the mccs arrived the sun hours on the 3rd of may ...looks very low to me....


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/city?LANG=en&WMO=08554&ART=SON&CONT=euro&R=150&LEVEL=150&REGION=0005&LAND=__&NOREGION=1&MOD=&TMX=&TMN=&SON=&PRE=&MONAT=&OFFS=&SORT=&MM=05&YY=2007&WEEK=4

[Carana]

Research, research, research gives you facts not opinions!

Berry J                                 4 years
Patel T                                 4 years
Totman L                              3 years
O'Brien E
Reap H                                 3 years
O'Donnel/Wilkins O                3 years
Carpenter I                           3 years
Weinburger E                        3 years
Foster E                               3 years
Naylor E                               3 years
Mills L                                   3 years
McCann M
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARRIVALS.htm


we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

On 1 May, there were 5 girls (including M and some of the other girls on your list) and 2 boys in her group.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01-pages-107-111%5B105-109%5D/processopdf01page110-CrecheRecords1.jpg



But on 3 May, there was only M and 2 boys from her group for high tea (Ella had gone to the beach).

6. That in the same room as Madeleine, there were 6 other children in the morning and 4 in the afternoon (including Madeleine);
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIDS-CLUB-STAFF.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01-pages-107-111%5B105-109%5D/processopdf01page107-CrecheRecords3.jpg


There were also a couple of toddlers from the Jellyfish group.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/CRECHE/Processo-pdf01pages108-118%20%5B112-120%5D/processopdf01page119-CrecheRecordsJ.jpg

[Carana]

yes or no doesn't always suffice does it though...

i find on the  chart [sun hours ] you put up ....starts at the 3rd of may ...till the 31st of may ....non of the 28th onwards...when the mccs arrived the sun hours on the 3rd of may ...looks very low to me....


http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/city?LANG=en&WMO=08554&ART=SON&CONT=euro&R=150&LEVEL=150&REGION=0005&LAND=__&NOREGION=1&MOD=&TMX=&TMN=&SON=&PRE=&MONAT=&OFFS=&SORT=&MM=05&YY=2007&WEEK=4

That is the Faro chart that I put up for comparison.

There were a few days prior to 3 May with no recorded sunshine hours for Faro. Checking back to a 16-week view, 22 March didn't have any either.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/city?LANG=en&WMO=08554&ART=SON&CONT=euro&R=150&LEVEL=150&REGION=0005&LAND=__&NOREGION=1&MOD=&TMX=&TMN=&SON=&PRE=&MONAT=&OFFS=&SORT=&MM=05&YY=2007&WEEK=16

[Carana]

All those children (girls) were in the 'Mini's' age group. They were split into two, Lobsters and another group. there were only 2 boys and Madeleine left in the Lobsters on 3rd May, but the other group would have had some children to bring to high tea. Berry. Patel and Naylor were in Madeleine's group so they weren't there. We have no sheets for the other group, but there were plenty of little girls of the right age in it.

I was trying to check on that. It's a possibility that there may have been other little blonde girls from another Mini group, but not much seems to be in the files about it.

[Carana]

I'm still not sure which photos the cook may have seen on TV. The one released by the PJ is likely to have been one of them, but others were circulating quite quickly as well.



02-Processos Vol II Pages 261-263
Witness Statement
Maria Manuela Antonia Jose
Date: 06 - 05 - 2007
Place of Work: OC
With relation to the facts being investigated, she confirms that on the 4 May 2007, at about 18h30, when arriving for work at the complex, she heard from her supervisor, Steve, that a female child who was staying with her parents and siblings at one of the OC apartments had gone missing on the previous day (3rd May 2007).

When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

There are quite a few of the early ones here:





This is one of the earliest images of Madeleine released to the public after May 3.

Photo Agency Sources:

Bruno Press
http://www.brunopress.nl
4623842.jpg
Caption:
Undated family handout photo of three-year-old Madeleine McCann who went missing while on holiday in Portugal.
Release date: May 4, 2007

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5603&start=0

[xtina]

That is the Faro chart that I put up for comparison.

There were a few days prior to 3 May with no recorded sunshine hours for Faro. Checking back to a 16-week view, 22 March didn't have any either.

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/city?LANG=en&WMO=08554&ART=SON&CONT=euro&R=150&LEVEL=150&REGION=0005&LAND=__&NOREGION=1&MOD=&TMX=&TMN=&SON=&PRE=&MONAT=&OFFS=&SORT=&MM=05&YY=2007&WEEK=16

there was little..... very very little sunshine though was there a fraction .....

yet on the sunday...it was a hot day sunglasses/sun hats/bare arms feet in pool weather

what is the difference.... wether it was faro ...or sagres

[xtina]

I'm still not sure which photos the cook may have seen on TV. The one released by the PJ is likely to have been one of them, but others were circulating quite quickly as well.



02-Processos Vol II Pages 261-263
Witness Statement
Maria Manuela Antonia Jose
Date: 06 - 05 - 2007
Place of Work: OC
With relation to the facts being investigated, she confirms that on the 4 May 2007, at about 18h30, when arriving for work at the complex, she heard from her supervisor, Steve, that a female child who was staying with her parents and siblings at one of the OC apartments had gone missing on the previous day (3rd May 2007).

When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crêche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

There are quite a few of the early ones here:





This is one of the earliest images of Madeleine released to the public after May 3.

Photo Agency Sources:

Bruno Press
http://www.brunopress.nl
4623842.jpg
Caption:
Undated family handout photo of three-year-old Madeleine McCann who went missing while on holiday in Portugal.
Release date: May 4, 2007

http://3as.madeleinemccann.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5603&start=0

it was the one in a spotted top ....that is the one cook will have seen .....

that is why police wanted it to out out straight away ....not mess about gettin a collection of the one's you mention

maddie looking very young ....not how she was i would imagine looking a lot smaller as well

[Carana]

there was little..... very very little sunshine though was there a fraction .....

yet on the sunday...it was a hot day sunglasses/sun hats/bare arms feet in pool weather

what is the difference.... wether it was faro ...or sagres

The issue was Hall's allegation, substantiated by some unidentified weather chart that he'd found or had been given via some unidentified source showing very little sunshine that day, the photo couldn't have been taken in PdL on 3 May and was therefore somehow evidence to support the theory of a demise prior to 3 May and an ensuing coverup.

All I was trying to point out was that there were 11.5 hours of sunshine in nearby Sagres on 3 May according to the historical charts on Weatheronline.

Xtina: have a look at the Sagres charts I posted (closer to PdL and to the west, where the dominant winds apparently come from). You are looking at the Faro one, which I only posted for comparison purposes as an example of unpleasant weather somewhat further to the east.

[Eleanor]

there was little..... very very little sunshine though was there a fraction .....

yet on the sunday...it was a hot day sunglasses/sun hats/bare arms feet in pool weather

what is the difference.... wether it was faro ...or sagres

It's raining here.  Five miles down the road it isn't.

[xtina]

It's raining here.  Five miles down the road it isn't.

yes well that is here ......completely different 

[xtina]

The issue was Hall's allegation, substantiated by some unidentified weather chart that he'd found or had been given via some unidentified source showing very little sunshine that day, the photo couldn't have been taken in PdL on 3 May and was therefore somehow evidence to support the theory of a demise prior to 3 May and an ensuing coverup.

All I was trying to point out was that there were 11.5 hours of sunshine in nearby Sagres on 3 May according to the historical charts on Weatheronline.

Xtina: have a look at the Sagres charts I posted (closer to PdL and to the west, where the dominant winds apparently come from). You are looking at the Faro one, which I only posted for comparison purposes as an example of unpleasant weather somewhat further to the east.

where did it say eleven hours of sunshine ....looked like less than two to me..one the link on my last post

faro ....sagress ...are practically exactly the same where weather is concerned

[G-Unit]

I was trying to check on that. It's a possibility that there may have been other little blonde girls from another Mini group, but not much seems to be in the files about it.

It's always possible that the Mini's had only 4 children altogether attending on the afternoon of May 3rd. The person who had charge of the other Mini group was very vague about that day. Could it be because she had no children to care for and had gone elsewhere?;

She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew's (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch.
(Kate collected MM, not Gerry and the group were supposed to have gone sailing that morning. Fancy not remembering that 6 children had disappeared from the room!)

She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.
(If MM was seen by the cook at the Tapas she was there at 4,30pm)
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

[Carana]

where did it say eleven hours of sunshine ....looked like less than two to me..one the link on my last post

faro ....sagress ...are practically exactly the same where weather is concerned

This is what I can see of the Sagres sunshine chart: