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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #750 on: March 07, 2016, 09:37:16 PM »
Blonk suggested that the article was totally fabricated. If it was - why would the Boyds have made reference to a sun hat (and possibly pink top) they couldn't have known Madeleine possessed?
The evidence that it is a fabrication is very clear and I won't repeat it. It's not even corroborated by Kate McCann in her book, for starters. 

Now you make an excellent point about how they would 'know' about the 'pink top/dress' and the 'sun hats' etc. Looks like their account must be true on the face of it.

But has it occurred to you (or anyone else) that whether the 'Last Photo' was taken on the Sunday or the Thursday, the McCanns had it in their possession, it was on their SD card?

So they could have shown it to anyone they liked well before it was finally published on 24 May. We know that Alex Woolfall, the Head of Risk for one of the world's largest (and most opportunist) PR companies, Bell Pottinger, was trawling through Gerry and Kate's photographs as soon as he got to Praia da Luz on Friday 4 May. (Well, he had to do something for the £500,000 that, according to Lord Bell himself, the McCanns paid Bell Pottinger)

Woolfall was deleting photos and cropping others before the PJ got to see only an edited version of them on a CD handed in by the pair on 9 May at Portimao Police Station.

So, Gerry and Kate had the Last Photo in their camera. Alex Woolfall had it the next day.

They could have shared it with anyone. Clarence Mitchell for starters.

Anyone could have given it to the Boyds so as to help them fabricate a story about Louie and Madeleine playing football on the Wednesday afternoon.

It looks like those who concocted this fabrication, i.e. that Madeleine was playing football and whizzing down a non-existent water slide etc. on the cloudy and rainy Wednesday, grossly over-egged it, and chose the wrong day of the week for their tale.
     
« Last Edit: March 07, 2016, 09:42:58 PM by Eleanor »

Offline misty

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #751 on: March 07, 2016, 09:47:45 PM »
The evidence that it is a fabrication is very clear and I won't repeat it. It's not even corroborated by Kate McCann in her book, for starters. 

Now you make an excellent point about how they would 'know' about the 'pink top/dress' and the 'sun hats' etc. Looks like their account must be true on the face of it.

But has it occurred to you (or anyone else) that whether the 'Last Photo' was taken on the Sunday or the Thursday, the McCanns had it in their possession, it was on their SD card?

So they could have shown it to anyone they liked well before it was finally published on 24 May. We know that Alex Woolfall, the Head of Risk for one of the world's largest (and most opportunist) PR companies, Bell Pottinger, was trawling through Gerry and Kate's photographs as soon as he got to Praia da Luz on Friday 4 May. (Well, he had to do something for the £500,000 that, according to Lord Bell himself, the McCanns paid Bell Pottinger)

Woolfall was deleting photos and cropping others before the PJ got to see only an edited version of them on a CD handed in by the pair on 9 May at Portimao Police Station.

So, Gerry and Kate had the Last Photo in their camera. Alex Woolfall had it the next day.

They could have shared it with anyone. Clarence Mitchell for starters.

Anyone could have given it to the Boyds so as to help them fabricate a story about Louie and Madeleine playing football on the Wednesday afternoon.

It looks like those who concocted this fabrication, i.e. that Madeleine was playing football and whizzing down a non-existent water slide etc. on the cloudy and rainy Wednesday, grossly over-egged it, and chose the wrong day of the week for their tale.
   

As the Boyds name was not even on the list of OC guests, how much effort do you think went into tracing them in less than 2 weeks with a view to planting a bogus story in the media?
« Last Edit: March 07, 2016, 10:02:14 PM by Eleanor »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #752 on: March 07, 2016, 10:18:45 PM »
As the Boyds name was not even on the list of OC guests, how much effort do you think went into tracing them in less than 2 weeks with a view to planting a bogus story in the media?

It is called clutching at straws. You would have heard about it if the sailing instructors didn't see Maddy on the 3rd.

I think we met Dave and Fi coming back and they said they’d seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat, because they’d taken the kids sailing that morning, so they said ‘Oh we’ve seen Madeleine and Ella on a boat down there’.  So then we went down to the beach, erm, and Russell took out a kayak and I sat and just played on the beach with Evie at that point.  And we saw, erm, they’d come off the boat and we saw Ella and Madeleine and the rest of the group, they were just, erm, they’d just come off the boat and they were getting ready to walk back up to the, erm, tut, the Kids Club”. JT
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #753 on: March 08, 2016, 07:18:01 AM »
I'm not sure who you are answering.


If the playground photo did not involve Gerry, Madeleine, Sean and someone else's brown-haired little child, who were they all?

Well I'm not talking about the playground photo, what has that got to do with anything? (the other child is a Payne btw) I'm saying the Boyds never mentioned the twins who would have been present if Madeleine was present. It's rare for the mother of two year old twins to be able to relax on a sun lounger in my experience.
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Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #754 on: March 08, 2016, 08:44:16 AM »
The evidence that it is a fabrication is very clear and I won't repeat it. It's not even corroborated by Kate McCann in her book, for starters. 

Now you make an excellent point about how they would 'know' about the 'pink top/dress' and the 'sun hats' etc. Looks like their account must be true on the face of it.

But has it occurred to you (or anyone else) that whether the 'Last Photo' was taken on the Sunday or the Thursday, the McCanns had it in their possession, it was on their SD card?

So they could have shown it to anyone they liked well before it was finally published on 24 May. We know that Alex Woolfall, the Head of Risk for one of the world's largest (and most opportunist) PR companies, Bell Pottinger, was trawling through Gerry and Kate's photographs as soon as he got to Praia da Luz on Friday 4 May. (Well, he had to do something for the £500,000 that, according to Lord Bell himself, the McCanns paid Bell Pottinger)

Woolfall was deleting photos and cropping others before the PJ got to see only an edited version of them on a CD handed in by the pair on 9 May at Portimao Police Station.

So, Gerry and Kate had the Last Photo in their camera. Alex Woolfall had it the next day.

They could have shared it with anyone. Clarence Mitchell for starters.

Anyone could have given it to the Boyds so as to help them fabricate a story about Louie and Madeleine playing football on the Wednesday afternoon.

It looks like those who concocted this fabrication, i.e. that Madeleine was playing football and whizzing down a non-existent water slide etc. on the cloudy and rainy Wednesday, grossly over-egged it, and chose the wrong day of the week for their tale.
   

It didn't rain all day on the Wednesday,  there was a tennis lesson booked for the morning which was rescheduled for the afternoon,  so it wasn't raining in the afternoon.

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt,  now does that give you the impression that Madeleine was going down a water slide?   It was more likely it was meant to read just slide as they were by the play area.

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area after lunch on the Wednesday.

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday so that it fits in with your 'no one saw Madeleine after the Sunday'   I find quite disgusting.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 10:39:10 AM by Lace »

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #755 on: March 08, 2016, 08:45:16 AM »
Well I'm not talking about the playground photo, what has that got to do with anything? (the other child is a Payne btw) I'm saying the Boyds never mentioned the twins who would have been present if Madeleine was present. It's rare for the mother of two year old twins to be able to relax on a sun lounger in my experience.

Could be the twins were playing with Gerry.

Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #756 on: March 08, 2016, 09:54:52 AM »
It didn't rain all day on the Wednesday,  there was a tennis lesson booked for the morning which was rescheduled for the afternoon,  so it wasn't raining in the afternoon.

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt,  now does that give you the impression that Madeleine was going down a water slide?   It was more likely it was meant to read just slide as they were by the play area.

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area after lunch on the Wednesday.

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday so that it fits in with your 'no one saw Madeleine after the Sunday'   I find quite disgusting,   you are calling this woman a liar.
QUOTE

It didn't rain in the afternoon...

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt...

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area on the Wednesday....

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday I find quite disgusting....

UNQUOTE

REPLY:

1. Why isn't the 'Mrs Boyd, Madeleine and Louie' story mentioned in Kate's book?

2. Why does Kate's book conflict with Mrs Boyd's account of that Wednesday afternoon? 

« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 09:57:14 AM by blonk »

Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #757 on: March 08, 2016, 10:09:31 AM »
QUOTE

It didn't rain in the afternoon...

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt...

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area on the Wednesday....

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday I find quite disgusting....

UNQUOTE

REPLY:

1. Why isn't the 'Mrs Boyd, Madeleine and Louie' story mentioned in Kate's book?

2. Why does Kate's book conflict with Mrs Boyd's account of that Wednesday afternoon? 


If Mrs Boyd is someone employed to fabricate a story to convince people that Madeleine was alive and well on May 3rd  (when she wasn't)  - then surely Kate would most definitely have included that lady and her 'proof' in her book.   Why miss such a golden opportunity?

The fact that she didn't should tell you something.

AIMO



« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 10:24:00 AM by Benice »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #758 on: March 08, 2016, 10:15:36 AM »
QUOTE

It didn't rain in the afternoon...

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt...

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area on the Wednesday....

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday I find quite disgusting....

UNQUOTE

REPLY:

1. Why isn't the 'Mrs Boyd, Madeleine and Louie' story mentioned in Kate's book?

2. Why does Kate's book conflict with Mrs Boyd's account of that Wednesday afternoon? 


Why should it be mentioned in Kate's book?    Does she mention any of the children Madeleine played with in the crèche?

Kate says that she and Gerry took the children to the play area for an hour after lunch on the Wednesday.

Brilliant reasons to label Mrs. Boyd as being mistaken.    it was raining [it wasn't]  Madeleine was going down a water slide [obviously a mix up as Madeleine wasn't dressed for the water,  most probably just going down the slide]   Kate didn't mention her in her book [no doubt Kate didn't mention many people she met in her book]   I think you should do more research.

« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 10:40:03 AM by Lace »

Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #759 on: March 08, 2016, 10:31:00 AM »

Can we please leave out the use of the word Liar.

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #760 on: March 08, 2016, 10:40:22 AM »
Sorry,  amended.

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Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #762 on: March 08, 2016, 10:51:30 AM »
Why should it be mentioned in Kate's book?    Does she mention any of the children Madeleine played with in the crèche?

Kate says that she and Gerry took the children to the play area for an hour after lunch on the Wednesday.

Brilliant reasons to label Mrs. Boyd as being mistaken.    it was raining [it wasn't]  Madeleine was going down a water slide [obviously a mix up as Madeleine wasn't dressed for the water,  most probably just going down the slide]   Kate didn't mention her in her book [no doubt Kate didn't mention many people she met in her book]   I think you should do more research.

It's amazing how many people think that the only things the McCanns did and the only words the McCanns spoke - are those recorded in the statements or in Kate's book.

I'm surprised they haven't decided that the only person who ever used the bathroom that week was Gerry- as no-one else has ever claimed to.

It's obvious that K&G would have chatted/exchanged pleasantries with other parents and that their children would have played with other children during the holiday.    It's also obvious that there is no reason at all why they should mention every single time that happened.   

IMO



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #763 on: March 08, 2016, 11:21:08 AM »
It didn't rain all day on the Wednesday,  there was a tennis lesson booked for the morning which was rescheduled for the afternoon,  so it wasn't raining in the afternoon.

Mrs. Boyd described Madeleine as wearing a top and a skirt,  now does that give you the impression that Madeleine was going down a water slide?   It was more likely it was meant to read just slide as they were by the play area.

Gerry and Kate McCann took the children to the play area after lunch on the Wednesday.

The way you say that this family were asked to fake part of their holiday so that it fits in with your 'no one saw Madeleine after the Sunday'   I find quite disgusting,   you are calling this woman a liar.



no one is calling the woman a [she is mistaken] ....its a magazine story ....not a statement wrote in detail checked out...it could have been the sunday ...

3 three year olds don't play football for an hour...there are so many inaccuracy's its not proof of anything ...just a story

he was playing the day before maddie disappeared [2nd...then when he saw posters ...asked is that the girl i was playing with yesterday [how the hell would he recognise her from photo on poster... not her name though] how could he have seen the poster on the Thursday ..[3rd may]


26 55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

this story proves absolutely nothing...apart from being a fabrication by the magazine




no wonder she was of interest to the mccs though ...did they ever find her ...or did nothing come of it ...if they had remembered the exact day they were talking about ...that could have been the sunday.

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I had another early morning drive to the airport- I could almost do it with my eyes shut. After dropping the kids off we had some photos taken with the results of a survey of UK and European parliament MP’s. The survey results, commissioned by the find Madeleine campaign, will be published tomorrow and demonstrate strong support for changes in European legislation following Madeleine’s abduction.

Kate is keen to get in touch with a very nice mum, who she spoke with at the toddler pool in the Ocean Club on Sunday 3rd June. She is sure you will remember the conversation and Kate would be grateful if you could get in touch at with her
 at campaign@findmadeleine.com
« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 11:23:34 AM by xtina »
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Brietta

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #764 on: March 08, 2016, 12:00:10 PM »

no one is calling the woman a [she is mistaken] ....its a magazine story ....not a statement wrote in detail checked out...it could have been the sunday ...

3 three year olds don't play football for an hour...there are so many inaccuracy's its not proof of anything ...just a story

he was playing the day before maddie disappeared [2nd...then when he saw posters ...asked is that the girl i was playing with yesterday [how the hell would he recognise her from photo on poster... not her name though] how could he have seen the poster on the Thursday ..[3rd may]


26 55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

this story proves absolutely nothing...apart from being a fabrication by the magazine




no wonder she was of interest to the mccs though ...did they ever find her ...or did nothing come of it ...if they had remembered the exact day they were talking about ...that could have been the sunday.

BLOG 22 AUGUST 2007 DAY 111
I had another early morning drive to the airport- I could almost do it with my eyes shut. After dropping the kids off we had some photos taken with the results of a survey of UK and European parliament MP’s. The survey results, commissioned by the find Madeleine campaign, will be published tomorrow and demonstrate strong support for changes in European legislation following Madeleine’s abduction.

Kate is keen to get in touch with a very nice mum, who she spoke with at the toddler pool in the Ocean Club on Sunday 3rd June. She is sure you will remember the conversation and Kate would be grateful if you could get in touch at with her
 at campaign@findmadeleine.com

Not necessarily the same 'very nice mum' whose son played with Madeleine later on in the week ... I'm sure there would have been lots of passing conversations with many other mums ... as one does when the children are occupied with something else.

Oh the problems of the world which have been resolved at the school gates!
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....