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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #765 on: March 08, 2016, 02:05:56 PM »
It's amazing how many people think that the only things the McCanns did and the only words the McCanns spoke - are those recorded in the statements or in Kate's book.

I'm surprised they haven't decided that the only person who ever used the bathroom that week was Gerry- as no-one else has ever claimed to.

It's obvious that K&G would have chatted/exchanged pleasantries with other parents and that their children would have played with other children during the holiday.    It's also obvious that there is no reason at all why they should mention every single time that happened.   

IMO
I do not think you have (a) read the Boyds' statement in full and (b) read what Kate McCann says about Wednesday in her book and (c) examined the creche records of that day and (d) examined the weather records for that day, nor do I think (e) that you have carefully compared and contrasted them all.   

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #766 on: March 08, 2016, 04:28:10 PM »
Could be the twins were playing with Gerry.

Perhaps they were playing doubles on the tennis court against him and one of his tennis mates? (coz that's where he was apparently)  8)-)))
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Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #767 on: March 08, 2016, 05:16:16 PM »
The crèche records for the 2nd of May,   I am reading it correctly did the twins get taken to the crèche at 14.00 and Madeleine at 14.45?

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #768 on: March 08, 2016, 05:30:36 PM »
why did one of the mccs pick the twins from the creche ....

and then walk five or so minutes  to pick maddie up and then double back on themselves with the twins ...

why didn't they pick maddie up first instead of walking the twins who would have been exhausted from play....unnecessarily

why did g mcc use the main door and k mcc use the rear....it could have been so they were not all seen together ...as 4...not 5

there routine changed after sunday ..children in creche then eating in....... apartment.
38 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

41 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

In Portugal, the experts that can evaluate calligraphy are from the PJ. It was explained to Tvmais that the crèche’s reports reveal inconsistencies in the writing. One of the doubts that the analysts raise concerns the identity of the authors of the form filling and their signatures in the form. The nanny’s signature and her handwriting appear on the sheet where only the parents were supposed to sign. Did anyone notice?

41 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #769 on: March 08, 2016, 05:57:10 PM »
why did one of the mccs pick the twins from the creche ....

and then walk five or so minutes  to pick maddie up and then double back on themselves with the twins ...

why didn't they pick maddie up first instead of walking the twins who would have been exhausted from play....unnecessarily

why did g mcc use the main door and k mcc use the rear....it could have been so they were not all seen together ...as 4...not 5

there routine changed after sunday ..children in creche then eating in....... apartment.
38 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

41 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

In Portugal, the experts that can evaluate calligraphy are from the PJ. It was explained to Tvmais that the crèche’s reports reveal inconsistencies in the writing. One of the doubts that the analysts raise concerns the identity of the authors of the form filling and their signatures in the form. The nanny’s signature and her handwriting appear on the sheet where only the parents were supposed to sign. Did anyone notice?

41 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMUcwy4dO4

Not sure what you're talking about Xtina.

If you' mean at the end of afternoons, the routine was that the nannies took the kids to the Tapas for their high tea and parents joined them there.

With 3 young children, it was a shorter walk for them if Gerry nipped around to the front to then open the patio than if they all had to walk the extra distance.

Calligraphy? Do you mean handwriting?

Yes, there are a few instances when a nanny signed the form. Perhaps they simply forgot, or whoever had the sheet was busy and they left. If other parents had noticed that M had been signed out but wasn't there, it would have surfaced before now.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #770 on: March 08, 2016, 06:35:52 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much about that.
Hall blew his own theory out of the water halfway through Reel 1. The rest really wasn't worth the candle.

Agreed.

I lost the will to live when I noticed that the supposedly all-important weather conditions in PdL most likely came from Faro airport...

Numerous people had stated that the weather in PdL that day was pleasant (in contrast to a few of the earlier days).



It doesn't even make sense...

The T7 were out in T-shirts and shorts at the Paraiso. And what would be the point of having tennis lessons / matches in force 4 winds?
« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 07:48:21 PM by Carana »

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #771 on: March 08, 2016, 07:34:44 PM »
Perhaps they were playing doubles on the tennis court against him and one of his tennis mates? (coz that's where he was apparently)  8)-)))

What time was Gerry's tennis lesson please?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #772 on: March 08, 2016, 08:31:16 PM »
Agreed.

I lost the will to live when I noticed that the supposedly all-important weather conditions in PdL most likely came from Faro airport...

Numerous people had stated that the weather in PdL that day was pleasant (in contrast to a few of the earlier days).



It doesn't even make sense...

The T7 were out in T-shirts and shorts at the Paraiso. And what would be the point of having tennis lessons / matches in force 4 winds?

I was thinking more in terms of the Perry Mason - Hamilton Burger moment. Maybe more appropriately Hercule Poirot-Inspector Japp moment.
i.e. "I am right and the bumbling fuzz are wrong".
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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #773 on: March 08, 2016, 09:12:00 PM »
Numerous people had stated that the weather in PdL that day was pleasant (in contrast to a few of the earlier days).

Let's have the benefit of four witnesses who were actually in Praia da Luz that day (Thursday), which give a rather different account of the weather that day from your summary above:

Matthew Oldfield

"Erm, it wasn't, erm, not specifically, it was a better day on the Thursday than it was on the Wednesday, because we had rain, and I think it was sort of warmer and bit more clear, I don't remember the, it may have been a bit cloudy, but I don't remember specifically".

Rachael Oldfield

“…probably that the weather had been a bit better that day and (inaudible) remember when the rest of us were there, we talked about Matt falling off the boat and Russell rescuing him and you know..."

Fiona Payne

“And I remember the Thursday was a bit of a transition day, as I say, you know, with the weather, it just seemed to warm up, it was sunnier, erm, and it was a very pleasant evening, you know, it was a nice sunny evening

Jane Tanner

4078    “What was the weather like when you were there?”

[SNIPPED]

"I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans..."

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #774 on: March 08, 2016, 09:26:57 PM »
What time was Gerry's tennis lesson please?

Mrs Boyd said he was playing tennis on the nearby court, then he finished and came over to Kate. Tennis was rained off in the morning and Kate went for a run with Matthew at lunchtime. Gerry's group played 2.30-3.30 and Kate's 3.30-4.30. Madeleine was at Minis from 2.45 onwards.
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #775 on: March 09, 2016, 08:30:56 AM »
Not sure what you're talking about Xtina.

If you' mean at the end of afternoons, the routine was that the nannies took the kids to the Tapas for their high tea and parents joined them there.

With 3 young children, it was a shorter walk for them if Gerry nipped around to the front to then open the patio than if they all had to walk the extra distance.

Calligraphy? Do you mean handwriting?

Yes, there are a few instances when a nanny signed the form. Perhaps they simply forgot, or whoever had the sheet was busy and they left. If other parents had noticed that M had been signed out but wasn't there, it would have surfaced before now.


With 3 young children, it was a shorter walk for them if Gerry nipped around to the front to then open the patio than if they all had to walk the extra distance.

so it was ok to trail them to the creche though and back taking around 15 mins ...but saved there little legs at the apartment ...i don't think so  8**8:/:

well if you look at the clip you would have known  exactly what i meant ...anyway

twins were picked up creche near apartment ....then walked five or so minutes to pick up maddie ...then walked 5 or so minutes back to the apartment ...

why was maddie not picked up first..why did the twins [tired 2 year old] have to trek all the way there and back  ...

when it would have been so much simpler to have picked maddie up first...maddie according to creche records was always picked up 5/10 minutes after twins...ok when dropping off ..but  odd for collecting



Yes, there are a few instances when a nanny signed the form. Perhaps they simply forgot, or whoever had the sheet was busy and they left. If other parents had noticed that M had been signed out but wasn't there, it would have surfaced before now.




the Nanny cat should never have signed the forms ....this in itself makes it a mockery ....that maddie was defiantly there from the sunday onwards ....also to sign someone else's name ...is forgery isn't it ...

as for any of the other parents noticing ...that is just plain silly who is going to stand watching... who ....signs children in or out ....that is the nanny cat... job who it shows cannot be trusted.
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #776 on: March 09, 2016, 09:02:57 AM »
Agreed.

I lost the will to live when I noticed that the supposedly all-important weather conditions in PdL most likely came from Faro airport...

Numerous people had stated that the weather in PdL that day was pleasant (in contrast to a few of the earlier days).



It doesn't even make sense...

The T7 were out in T-shirts and shorts at the Paraiso. And what would be the point of having tennis lessons / matches in force 4 winds?

the weather came from Pdl ....or... Lagos ...not most likely came from faro ......only you keep mentioning Faro...kmcc says herself the weather was a little cool
she should have brought a cardigan ....as for the rest of your post..



To: The Institute of Meteorology
Lisbon

From: PJ Inspector Joao Carlos

Subject: Request for Information

Being necessary to the investigation NUIPC 201.070 GALGS I ask you to inform this police force about the requests noted below with regard to the following location: Praia da Luz, Lagos, Portugal on 3rd and 4th May 2007.

1. Time of sunset.
2. Direction and intensity of wind.
3. Cloudiness.
4. Rainfall
5. Daytime and nocturnal temperature.
6. Environmental humidity.
7. State of the sea.
With compliments
Chief Inspector
Tavares de Almeida





The meteorological information refers to the days 3 and 4 May/07 - meteorological conditions.
- Analysis of synoptic situation.

- Results of numeric models.

- Result of observations.

- Certified copy of "State of the Weather and Sea in the Area of Praia da Luz" containing a description of wind, gusts, cloudiness, rainfall, temperature, humidity and the state of the sea.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/WEATHER_CONDITIONS.htm




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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #777 on: March 09, 2016, 09:42:20 AM »
If you mean 'at the end of afternoons, the routine was that the nannies took the kids to the Tapas for their high tea and parents joined them there.
You are misleading members of this forum.

You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches' and not from some sort of 'super high tea' for all the creche children. It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it.

It might be better for you to say: "I prefer the evidence of those who say there was a high tea for all the crèche children at the Tapas restaurant every day to those who insist that there wasn't".             

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #778 on: March 09, 2016, 09:46:51 AM »
Mrs Boyd said he was playing tennis on the nearby court, then he finished and came over to Kate. Tennis was rained off in the morning and Kate went for a run with Matthew at lunchtime. Gerry's group played 2.30-3.30 and Kate's 3.30-4.30. Madeleine was at Minis from 2.45 onwards.

Well it looks to me as if the twins were in the crèche and Madeleine was playing football with Mrs. Boyd's son until she too was taken to the crèche,  Gerry coming over when finishing his tennis session.

Looks as though it wasn't raining either.


Correction to the above,  apparently the twins were taken to the crèche at 14.40 so the twins were there when Madeleine played football with Mrs. Boyd's son,  makes no difference,  there was still time for Madeleine to have been playing with Mrs. Boyd's son before she went to the crèche and that it was not raining.
« Last Edit: March 09, 2016, 11:27:02 AM by Lace »

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #779 on: March 09, 2016, 10:44:27 AM »
You are misleading members of this forum.

You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches' and not from some sort of 'super high tea' for all the creche children. It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it.

It might be better for you to say: "I prefer the evidence of those who say there was a high tea for all the crèche children at the Tapas restaurant every day to those who insist that there wasn't".           

Blonk:

Quote: "It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it."
Unquote

How many people would have to be involved in this conspiracy to invent that the crèche children had high tea at the Tapas restaurant that week?

And no, I don't know of any evidence that disputes it. Do share.

« Last Edit: March 09, 2016, 10:48:45 AM by Carana »