Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[G-Unit]

What about if Kate and Gerry took the children to the play area at half past one,  Madeleine played football with Mrs Boyd's son,   Gerry took the twins to the slide etc.    Then at half past two,  Kate takes the children to the crèche.   Kate comes back Gerry finishes tennis,  Mrs. Boyd see's Gerry put his arm around Kate.

I would think the rain would have stopped otherwise I can't see them being in the play area for an hour in the rain.

Nope. Kate took the twins at 2.40 and Madeleine at 2.45, so she left the play area with three children. Gerry played tennis from 2.30 to 3.30

[Carana]

You are misleading members of this forum.

You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches' and not from some sort of 'super high tea' for all the creche children. It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it.

It might be better for you to say: "I prefer the evidence of those who say there was a high tea for all the crèche children at the Tapas restaurant every day to those who insist that there wasn't".           

You said: "You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches'"



Did you? You paraphrased Elizabeth Williamson.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311910#msg311910

Who did not say that "the children were collected 'from the creches'".

What she actually said was:
She says that the twins were generally left at the creche at 09.00 and that the parents dropped them off before leaving Madeleine in her classroom. Then between 12.00 and 12.30 the parents would pick up the twins until 15.00. Between 17.00 and 17.30 the parents would collect the twins from the creche.


She worked at the Toddlers 2 group (from further up in that statement):
The witness clarifies that during the period between 29th April and 4th May she carried out her functions with a group of children staying at the resort aged between 2 and 3 years old called the Toddlers 2 group.

The witness says that Toddlers 2 is subdivided into three sub groups and each of these is under the responsibility of a child care worker, she is responsible for one of the sub groups.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm


And the Toddlers group is... beside the Tapas.

Cat on crèche locations
The age requirements of the various clubs are 3-11 months (baby Club), 12-23 months (Toddler Club), 24 months to 3 years (Toddler 2 Club), 3 to 5 years of age (Mini Club), 6 years to 9 years of age (Juniors Club), 10 years to 15 years of age (Kids Club) and from 14 to 17 years of age (Indies Club). The Baby Club and the Mini Club are situated directly on top of the 24-hour reception. The Toddler Club is located close to the tapas Bar and the others close to the "Millenium" Restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

What Emma Wilding said was:

With respect to Madeleine, she states that she spent most of her time at the Mini Club. The children began arriving at 0900 until 1230 when their respective parents collected them for lunch, and returned at 1430 until 1645 when the Infants' teachers took the children to eat something appropriate for their age at the Tapas restaurant. Most of the parents met their respective children here, and the children then remained in their parents' care.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

Another nanny:
That she only knows that Madeleine McCanns parents would come to pick her up, as with her siblings, between 17H15 and 17H30, at the location where all the children of the creche got together to have dinner, in the Tapas restaurant, related to the resort in question;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm

Russell's rog:

... At the end of the morning session we generally had to pick them up from Ocean Club, at the end of the afternoon session the Nannies would bring them up on a little kind of plastic chain, all the kids would sort of hold onto a thing”.

1578    “Yes”.
Reply    “And they would walk them through that garden I described on Tuesday and they’d come across the road and go to high tea about five o’clock. .
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Lace]

Nope. Kate took the twins at 2.40 and Madeleine at 2.45, so she left the play area with three children. Gerry played tennis from 2.30 to 3.30

What do you mean 'nope'  that fits in with what I said.    Madeleine played football until half past two,  then Kate took the twins and Madeleine back to the crèche whilst Gerry played tennis.

Mrs. Boyd doesn't say that Madeleine and the twins were there when Gerry finished playing tennis,  just that she saw Gerry put his arm around Kate.

[Carana]

Let's have the benefit of four witnesses who were actually in Praia da Luz that day (Thursday), which give a rather different account of the weather that day from your summary above:

[I've snipped out your extracts from the Oldfields to address your extracts from Fiona and Jane.]


Fiona Payne

“And I remember the Thursday was a bit of a transition day, as I say, you know, with the weather, it just seemed to warm up, it was sunnier, erm, and it was a very pleasant evening, you know, it was a nice sunny evening


Jane Tanner

4078    “What was the weather like when you were there?”

[SNIPPED]

"I remember I was wearing, because it was cold, I’d got Russell’s big, I’d borrowed one of his, erm, fleeces, so I’d got a big sort of fleece, it probably came down to about here, but then I’d got flip-flops on and cropped trousers, because I’d only got, I didn’t take jeans..."

Concerning Fiona, you appear to have missed out the preceding sentence:
Reply
'That day was a really nice day, which is why I wanted to do the run. And I remember the Thursday was a bit of a transition day, as I say, you know, with the weather, it just seemed to warm up, it was sunnier, erm, and it was a very pleasant evening, you know, it was a nice sunny evening, warm'.

What you quote from JT concerned what she wore at dinnertime which no one disputes was nippy.


What she said about Thursday daytime was:

4078 “What was the weather like at that time when you remember seeing Madeleine on the beach then?”
Reply “Erm, I think that day was a bit nicer actually. I think, I’m trying to, I’ve got pictures of Ella, of Evie, that’s about the first day I took pictures actually, and I’ve got pictures of Evie and I’m trying to remember what she was wearing. It was a tee-shirt, so I don’t think it was, it wasn’t as, I think it was actually getting a bit nicer, it wasn’t as cold. No, yeah, because the Thursday was actually probably one of the first nice days, which is why I think we had gone later in the day, we took all the kids down to the beach because it was actually nicer weather. So, yeah, the Thursday was probably the first day I think the sun had more come out in the day”.

[Carana]

He (Rus) says -
"When Kate ran past on her run she didn’t speak to us, but she did acknowledge us as a group.
We didn’t stick to our usual routine so much that day the children stayed with us and ate their tea at the bar by the beach called the Paridiso.  Everyone was there at the beach except Kate, Gerry and their kids. I collected Ella from the Ocean Club before she went up to tea at the Tapas Bar, I cannot say whether Madeleine was there or not.

That would mean that she (Ella) was not with them at the beach - unless they only went to the beach for their tea and not for the afternoon.


Confusion, or what?

She was signed out at 16:30.

[G-Unit]

What do you mean 'nope'  that fits in with what I said.    Madeleine played football until half past two,  then Kate took the twins and Madeleine back to the crèche whilst Gerry played tennis.

Mrs. Boyd doesn't say that Madeleine and the twins were there when Gerry finished playing tennis,  just that she saw Gerry put his arm around Kate.

She gave the impression that Kate stayed on that sun lounger. Not that it's important, just someone leaping onto a bandwagon imo.

[Lace]

I would think the rain would have stopped otherwise I can't see them being in the play area for an hour in the rain.



no they were sat round the pool in the blazing sun,,,,having the so called last picture taken

maddie/Amelia,,so the twins  mccs all together

as already been said...no mention of twins,,,someone else said twins ..stand out


Mrs. Boyd see's Gerry put his arm around Kate.

oh pleeeeeeeeeez.......its not proof .....its not a statement......its a magazine story ....10 a penny

it doesn't make sense either why they did it ...unless it was for money

http://www.sellusyourstory.com/sell-my-story/sell-my-story-to-a-magazine/?gclid=CLe27fCStMsCFTMo0wodNmYF8A

I am disputing the fact that some say the Boyd's are mistaken.

Whether she did it for the money or not,   it proves that Madeleine was there in the play area playing football with the Boyd's son.

Now please give me one good reason why I shouldn't believe this woman?

It was NOT raining as it was said by someone.

Nothing wrong with the crèche register,  Madeleine was not in the crèche until 14.45.

Madeleine was not dressed for sliding down a water slide so obviously a mistake,  should have meant whizzing down a slide.

Gerry played tennis,   Madeleine and twins taken back to crèche,  Mrs. Boyd sees Gerry after he played tennis.

[Lace]

She gave the impression that Kate stayed on that sun lounger. Not that it's important, just someone leaping onto a bandwagon imo.

Well I doubt if she stayed on the sun lounger, she obviously got up to take Madeleine and twins back to the crèche it is her signature on the crèche sheet.

I have no reason at all to doubt that this woman is telling the truth.

[sadie]

I am disputing the fact that some say the Boyd's are mistaken.

Whether she did it for the money or not,   it proves that Madeleine was there in the play area playing football with the Boyd's son.

Now please give me one good reason why I shouldn't believe this woman?

It was NOT raining as it was said by someone.

Nothing wrong with the crèche register,  Madeleine was not in the crèche until 14.45.

Madeleine was not dressed for sliding down a water slide so obviously a mistake,  should have meant whizzing down a slide.

Gerry played tennis,   Madeleine and twins taken back to crèche,  Mrs. Boyd sees Gerry after he played tennis.

This and your next post about Kate not staying on the lounger cos she signed the little ones in at creche at 2.45 are good well thought out posts.

Well done, Lace 

[Benice]

You said: "You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches'"



Did you? You paraphrased Elizabeth Williamson.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg311910#msg311910

Who did not say that "the children were collected 'from the creches'".

What she actually said was:
She says that the twins were generally left at the creche at 09.00 and that the parents dropped them off before leaving Madeleine in her classroom. Then between 12.00 and 12.30 the parents would pick up the twins until 15.00. Between 17.00 and 17.30 the parents would collect the twins from the creche.


She worked at the Toddlers 2 group (from further up in that statement):
The witness clarifies that during the period between 29th April and 4th May she carried out her functions with a group of children staying at the resort aged between 2 and 3 years old called the Toddlers 2 group.

The witness says that Toddlers 2 is subdivided into three sub groups and each of these is under the responsibility of a child care worker, she is responsible for one of the sub groups.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm


And the Toddlers group is... beside the Tapas.

Cat on crèche locations
The age requirements of the various clubs are 3-11 months (baby Club), 12-23 months (Toddler Club), 24 months to 3 years (Toddler 2 Club), 3 to 5 years of age (Mini Club), 6 years to 9 years of age (Juniors Club), 10 years to 15 years of age (Kids Club) and from 14 to 17 years of age (Indies Club). The Baby Club and the Mini Club are situated directly on top of the 24-hour reception. The Toddler Club is located close to the tapas Bar and the others close to the "Millenium" Restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

What Emma Wilding said was:

With respect to Madeleine, she states that she spent most of her time at the Mini Club. The children began arriving at 0900 until 1230 when their respective parents collected them for lunch, and returned at 1430 until 1645 when the Infants' teachers took the children to eat something appropriate for their age at the Tapas restaurant. Most of the parents met their respective children here, and the children then remained in their parents' care.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

Another nanny:
That she only knows that Madeleine McCanns parents would come to pick her up, as with her siblings, between 17H15 and 17H30, at the location where all the children of the creche got together to have dinner, in the Tapas restaurant, related to the resort in question;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm

Russell's rog:

... At the end of the morning session we generally had to pick them up from Ocean Club, at the end of the afternoon session the Nannies would bring them up on a little kind of plastic chain, all the kids would sort of hold onto a thing”.

1578    “Yes”.
Reply    “And they would walk them through that garden I described on Tuesday and they’d come across the road and go to high tea about five o’clock. .
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

Good post Carena - clearly showing that the claim that you are 'misleading members of this forum' (or ever would IMO)  is patently untrue.

[sadie]

You are misleading members of this forum.

You know perfectly well that I posted up the thread a clear statement of Emma Wilding that the children were collected 'from the creches' and not from some sort of 'super high tea' for all the creche children. It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it.

It might be better for you to say: "I prefer the evidence of those who say there was a high tea for all the crèche children at the Tapas restaurant every day to those who insist that there wasn't".           

It is YOU Blonk, that is clearly misleading the readers of this Forum, as can be seen from Caranas VERY well researched answer to you

Carana is perfection personified in her approach to getting evetything absolutely correct.  It must have taken her hours to collect and present her answer to you on this [above]


I know that it is not easy, but I think you owe Carana an apology, Blonk

[Carana]

It is YOU Blonk, that is clearly misleading the readers of this Forum, as can be seen from Caranas VERY well researched answer to you

Carana is perfection personified in her approach to getting evetything absolutely correct.  It must have taken her hours to collect and present her answer to you on this [above]


I know that it is not easy, but I think you owe Carana an apology, Blonk

Thank you Sadie, that's very sweet, but no one is "perfection personified". LOL

The point only concerns the high tea for the crèche children and who took them there. There are numerous others to wade through.


@ Benice, thanks as well.

I find this one even more curious...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg313897#msg313897

[xtina]

I am disputing the fact that some say the Boyd's are mistaken.

Whether she did it for the money or not,   it proves that Madeleine was there in the play area playing football with the Boyd's son.

Now please give me one good reason why I shouldn't believe this woman?

It was NOT raining as it was said by someone.

Nothing wrong with the crèche register,  Madeleine was not in the crèche until 14.45.

Madeleine was not dressed for sliding down a water slide so obviously a mistake,  should have meant whizzing down a slide.

Gerry played tennis,   Madeleine and twins taken back to crèche,  Mrs. Boyd sees Gerry after he played tennis.

you can dispute it as much as you like ....I mean who are you

the police was not interested in what the Boyd's had to say ....was they....

the Boyd's it seems are people of no interest ...

yet had information about the very last day... no statements ...nothing ...just a story in a mag...

it seems it just scraped through.... before all the top lawyers were on board ..or you would never have seen it

as for the creche records .....nanny cat ..signed maddie in/out of creche

hand writing expert
In Portugal, the experts that can evaluate calligraphy are from the PJ. It was explained to Tvmais that the crèche’s reports reveal inconsistencies in the writing. One of the doubts that the analysts raise concerns the identity of the authors of the form filling and their signatures in the form. The nanny’s signature and her handwriting appear on the sheet where only the parents were supposed to sign. Did anyone notice?

 

[xtina]

Good post Carena - clearly showing that the claim that you are 'misleading members of this forum' (or ever would IMO)  is patently untrue.

The statements can not be took as gospel ....they are full if contradictions inconsistency's ...

there is one thing ....that is clear no one seems to have  seen maddie much apart from her being shut away in the creche ...when all their children having fun with parents

even Diane Webster who's statement is like ....doesn't remember anything ....says

  "So it might have been Sunday to Thursday. Err what else did I do, I went to the beach err on two or three occasions with err Fiona and Dave, well Fiona and the girls and sometimes Jane and Russell or, I remember Jane, I think some of the times the boys were off doing their windsurfing and sailing and whatever, err I know Kate and Gerry were very into the tennis err so I wouldn’t say that, that I saw a lot of all of them during the day, it was usually in the evening that we’d meet up.”

"Who else was there around that time?”

 

Reply

"Who else? Well it was, it was all of us err apart from Kate and Gerry and their children,

the mccs it seems did nothing with their children ....after the Sunday ....just had an obsession with tennis

[Lace]

you can dispute it as much as you like ....I mean who are you

the police was not interested in what the Boyd's had to say ....was they....

the Boyd's it seems are people of no interest ...

yet had information about the very last day... no statements ...nothing ...just a story in a mag...

it seems it just scraped through.... before all the top lawyers were on board ..or you would never have seen it

as for the creche records .....nanny cat ..signed maddie in/out of creche

hand writing expert
In Portugal, the experts that can evaluate calligraphy are from the PJ. It was explained to Tvmais that the crèche’s reports reveal inconsistencies in the writing. One of the doubts that the analysts raise concerns the identity of the authors of the form filling and their signatures in the form. The nanny’s signature and her handwriting appear on the sheet where only the parents were supposed to sign. Did anyone notice?

 

You are saying that Mrs. Boyd is mistaken,  in order to give the 'not seen since Sunday'  nonsense authenticity,  I mean who are you?

I am not concerned whether the police were interested in what she had to say or not,  they probably didn't even interview her as there were many who came into contact with the McCann's who were not interviewed.  As the PJ did not give the slightest inkling   that they thought Madeleine had died before the 3rd of May this would be understandable.

I have seen the crèche records and the signature made by Kate McCann looks authentic to me.   Please give a link to this calligraphy expert,  why is this person from the PJ?   There has been nothing noted that the PJ suspect Madeleine died before the 3rd of May either.