Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[G-Unit]

Can I just answer the last part,   the McCann's went to the resort to have a break as well as the children,  Madeleine was asked [Kate's book]   if she wanted to go to the crèche as if she didn't she didn't have to,  as it turned out she loved it.   

The children had been on holiday Easter time just before their trip to Portugal,  they had been to the beach at that time.

There is nothing wrong with parents taking their children on holiday and having a break themselves.   I don't find this selfish at all,  the children had had one holiday and at that age they don't expect a great deal,   the beach and playing with other children is wonderful for them.

The McCann's took the children to the beach,  the weather wasn't exactly great.   They watched Madeleine playing mini tennis,  they played at the play area with them.    Apart from this the crèche took them on outings and Madeleine had a trip on  a boat.

It sounds as if the holiday was fine to me.

The McCanns had their 'support network' with them in Ireland. Lots of aunties and friends to help with the children. Read the statements of family and friends and see just how many of them looked after the McCann children, in addition to them going to nursery. Remember how Kate took her friends away from the searching for her daughter?

When lunchtime came, Gerry and I were in the middle of another meeting when we discovered there was no one around to collect Sean and Amelie. We had to interrupt proceedings and go to the Toddler Club ourselves, phoning round our friends and family en route to try to get somebody who wasn’t too far away to come back and give them their lunch.
Kate's Book.

On the first day they booked the children into the childcare; each day, each available session. The next morning they booked tennis lessons for each day of the coming week, two in the mornings and one in the afternoons. It doesn't sound like they were expecting to spend time with their daughter if she decided not to attend the kid's club. If she had a morning off she could watch two hours of tennis. If she had the afternoon off she could look after herself and watch both parents having a lesson.

The Classic and Private lessons are extras at present, having to be paid for. The kid's clubs at present are free if you use them for just mornings or just afternoons. Using them for both incurs a hefty (imo) charge of £180 per child. Did the McCanns pay for these extras? I don't see why they would be excused.
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/sun-holidays/greece/lakitira/tennis

[Eleanor]

Deleting Insults and Off Topic Posts from now on.

[Lace]

The McCanns had their 'support network' with them in Ireland. Lots of aunties and friends to help with the children. Read the statements of family and friends and see just how many of them looked after the McCann children, in addition to them going to nursery. Remember how Kate took her friends away from the searching for her daughter?

When lunchtime came, Gerry and I were in the middle of another meeting when we discovered there was no one around to collect Sean and Amelie. We had to interrupt proceedings and go to the Toddler Club ourselves, phoning round our friends and family en route to try to get somebody who wasn’t too far away to come back and give them their lunch.
Kate's Book.

On the first day they booked the children into the childcare; each day, each available session. The next morning they booked tennis lessons for each day of the coming week, two in the mornings and one in the afternoons. It doesn't sound like they were expecting to spend time with their daughter if she decided not to attend the kid's club. If she had a morning off she could watch two hours of tennis. If she had the afternoon off she could look after herself and watch both parents having a lesson.

The Classic and Private lessons are extras at present, having to be paid for. The kid's clubs at present are free if you use them for just mornings or just afternoons. Using them for both incurs a hefty (imo) charge of £180 per child. Did the McCanns pay for these extras? I don't see why they would be excused.
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/sun-holidays/greece/lakitira/tennis

Really don't know what you are trying to say here G-unit.

So they had family around them on the Ireland holiday,  so what?   The children had a nice holiday,  the family probably enjoyed having the children,  they got to see them and play with them.  Haven't you visited family and let them play with your children?   Doesn't mean the parents weren't there too does it?

What meeting were the McCann's in?   Police?   well of course they would want someone to see to the twins if they were discussing Madeleine and how to find her.

Yes they booked tennis lessons,  they were enjoying their holiday too,   I should imagine that if Madeleine didn't want to go to the crèche then one of them would have cancelled their tennis.   There is no statement from the nannies saying that Madeleine was unhappy going to the crèche,  quite the opposite.

No idea if the McCann's paid for the extras I should imagine so.

[Brietta]

Yeah, my initial impression is they look trustworthy and respectful. Isn't this the same problem here too, so many on both sides of this debate commenting on the McCanns behaviour. For example, they appear so cold or on the other side - they are responsible, caring doctors and couldn't possibly do such things. No-one really knows, do they?

The fact of the McCanns being doctors cuts absolutely no ice as far as I am concerned.  How they look physically or how the self appointed experts interpret their body language is of even less concern.

We have recently been appalled by the revelations that children are not safe from abuse either in their homes or public places from those employed to look after them.
A more extreme case than Michael and Lara Chase (described by detectives as 'every parent's worst nightmare') being the beheading of a Russian child by her nanny.

In all the cases brought to light and prosecuted there was evidence enough to secure convictions;  when is the penny going to drop that despite the most intrusive and intensive scrutiny in history there is not one shred of evidence against either of the Drs McCann or their friends.

For going on nine years now people like Richard Hall have rehashed one nonsense after another.  Being charitable -speculation - but in reality one untruth piled on another.
The 'fact' that the children were on their own is it ... but quite an industry has been established all based on the fabrications put about by a failing investigation ... "100% DNA" - cadaver dogs 'alerting' only to McCann in a town where no-one had ever died or had a bleed.

[Lace]

no....i tell you who i am .........the one not gullible enough to believe in the abduction

could we have a thread of why the abduction could be believed what the proof was .........no because there is none ....apart from kg mcc saying it happened ....

well you believe the abduction story ....so obviously you will believe  the magazine story as well .. %&5%£

You are going off topic xtina.

I have no reason to disbelieve what Mrs. Boyd said.

Yes I believe the abduction story.    You believe Madeleine wasn't seen after the Sunday  !!!

[G-Unit]

The implication appears to be that parents who take advantage of holidays provided by firms with many years of experience in catering for families providing activities suitable for all ages from great grans to toddlers ... are unfeeling, uncaring louts who don't care a jot about their children.

All to get the boot into the McCanns.  Sad really.

Buyer beware. Not everyone raves about Mark Warner;

The childcare, especially for our nearly 3 year old, was way below good standards (in our opinion). The evening club in particular is appalling. Babies and toddlers are now in the same room which does not work. Many of the nannies seem bored, annoyed with the kids and frankly disinterested. I went to pick up my daughter one night and found that she had been strapped into a double buggy next to a screaming 14 month year old because she was "making too much noise." Instead of taking time to settle the very young kids, they are just expected to lie in beds and sleep in a strange room with babies crying. I am appalled that this is allowed to happen. Many many other parents were also saying the childcare was not up tp scratch, and if the club was in the UK I would have reported them to Ofsted without a doubt.


 The site management was exceptionally poor. Eleven year old children were able to sign themselves out of childrens clubs and wander the site on their own.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g187141-d615666-r137393190-San_Lucianu_Beach_Resort_Mark_Warner-Bastia_Haute_Corse_Corsica.html#

[lordpookles]

The fact of the McCanns being doctors cuts absolutely no ice as far as I am concerned.  How they look physically or how the self appointed experts interpret their body language is of even less concern.

We have recently been appalled by the revelations that children are not safe from abuse either in their homes or public places from those employed to look after them.
A more extreme case than Michael and Lara Chase (described by detectives as 'every parent's worst nightmare') being the beheading of a Russian child by her nanny.

In all the cases brought to light and prosecuted there was evidence enough to secure convictions;  when is the penny going to drop that despite the most intrusive and intensive scrutiny in history there is not one shred of evidence against either of the Drs McCann or their friends.

For going on nine years now people like Richard Hall have rehashed one nonsense after another.  Being charitable -speculation - but in reality one untruth piled on another.
The 'fact' that the children were on their own is it ... but quite an industry has been established all based on the fabrications put about by a failing investigation ... "100% DNA" - cadaver dogs 'alerting' only to McCann in a town where no-one had ever died or had a bleed.

Good points I think. The Richard Hall documentaries have just got progressively worse - say that in some ignorance as only got 15 mins in with this one, but 100% safe to assume. What does interest me about his documentaries is his scattergun like approach. Maybe somewhere in there is a nugget of gold, but the mass conspiracy here is obv crazy talk...

The only evidence and I think by wiki definition it can be called that are the dog alerts, which can't be presented in court unless corroborated by forensics I believe. So, based on that I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt. There are many cases like this where it has turned out popular prejudices are completely wrong...

[G-Unit]

The fact of the McCanns being doctors cuts absolutely no ice as far as I am concerned.  How they look physically or how the self appointed experts interpret their body language is of even less concern.

We have recently been appalled by the revelations that children are not safe from abuse either in their homes or public places from those employed to look after them.
A more extreme case than Michael and Lara Chase (described by detectives as 'every parent's worst nightmare') being the beheading of a Russian child by her nanny.

In all the cases brought to light and prosecuted there was evidence enough to secure convictions;  when is the penny going to drop that despite the most intrusive and intensive scrutiny in history there is not one shred of evidence against either of the Drs McCann or their friends.

For going on nine years now people like Richard Hall have rehashed one nonsense after another.  Being charitable -speculation - but in reality one untruth piled on another.
The 'fact' that the children were on their own is it ... but quite an industry has been established all based on the fabrications put about by a failing investigation ... "100% DNA" - cadaver dogs 'alerting' only to McCann in a town where no-one had ever died or had a bleed.

There's not one shred of evidence against anyone else either. It would seem that someone, by luck or judgement, has committed a perfect crime. There's not even evidence showing what the crime was.

[xtina]

yes perfect crime to this very day

no DNA ....if maddie had been in that apartment ....on the third of may there would have been

who knows how long they had to prepare

to me what RH shows ...is there is no concrete evidence maddie was seen

even the last photo ...maddie was wearing her sunday best ....

as described in k mcc book expensive clothing....just to get stained with paint felt tips etc etc

why did they wait three weeks to show that photo

why did g mcc deny having it ....

[Carana]

yes perfect crime to this very day

no DNA ....if maddie had been in that apartment ....on the third of may there would have been

who knows how long they had to prepare

to me what RH shows ...is there is no concrete evidence maddie was seen

even the last photo ...maddie was wearing her sunday best ....

as described in k mcc book expensive clothing....just to get stained with paint felt tips etc etc

why did they wait three weeks to show that photo

why did g mcc deny having it ....

I haven't got to the DNA bit in this magnum opus yet.

What, in your opinion, were the PT forensic people looking for in that apartment? Feel free to consult the files.

[lordpookles]

There's not one shred of evidence against anyone else either. It would seem that someone, by luck or judgement, has committed a perfect crime. There's not even evidence showing what the crime was.

Add into the mix that others were in and out of the flat, leading up to the disappearance and then more people into the aprt when the alarm was raised and finally the police failure to seal the scene. The scene was already contaminated not by just the people who were present that night, but police mistakes....that photo of the forensics lady not wearing gloves and allowing the place to be rented out shortly after. The perfect crime here imo would simply be to lure Madeleine to the window and then drive off...

[xtina]

I haven't got to the DNA bit in this magnum opus yet.

What, in your opinion, were the PT forensic people looking for in that apartment? Feel free to consult the files.

 who is the great writer..my post...... me 

[Carana]

who is the great writer..my post...... me 

 

[G-Unit]

Really don't know what you are trying to say here G-unit.

So they had family around them on the Ireland holiday,  so what?   The children had a nice holiday,  the family probably enjoyed having the children,  they got to see them and play with them.  Haven't you visited family and let them play with your children?   Doesn't mean the parents weren't there too does it?

What meeting were the McCann's in?   Police?   well of course they would want someone to see to the twins if they were discussing Madeleine and how to find her.

Yes they booked tennis lessons,  they were enjoying their holiday too,   I should imagine that if Madeleine didn't want to go to the crèche then one of them would have cancelled their tennis.   There is no statement from the nannies saying that Madeleine was unhappy going to the crèche,  quite the opposite.

No idea if the McCann's paid for the extras I should imagine so.

The McCanns were in a meeting with British Embassy press officer Andy Bowes, and Alex Woolfall, the PR crisis-management specialist from Bell Pottinger (UK). I assume they were preparing Kate for her televised appeal for Madeleine's return which was made at 2pm 7th May. There was a script to write.

The McCanns had two breaks at Center Parcs the previous year. I wonder if they used the mandatory two baby-sitters there?

We run a professional babysitting service every day and evening. The minimum duration is two and a half hours. There is a minimum age of 3 months and if you have 3 children under 5 years or more than 4 children, you will require more than one babysitter. Please note this service can only be booked via our Contact Centre on 03448 267751 or whilst you are on the village.
http://help.centerparcs.co.uk/app/answers/detail/a_id/391/kw/childcare%20costs/session/L3RpbWUvMTQ1NzY5Njg4Ni9zaWQvUlRDdU5iTG0%3D

There's no record of when the McCanns played tennis on Monday 30th, but the children didn't go to their clubs until 15,15 (MM) and 15,25 (twins). Madeleine was signed out again at 15.25, putting Kate in two places at once. She doesn't mention this anomaly at all.

[Alfred R Jones]

Buyer beware. Not everyone raves about Mark Warner;

The childcare, especially for our nearly 3 year old, was way below good standards (in our opinion). The evening club in particular is appalling. Babies and toddlers are now in the same room which does not work. Many of the nannies seem bored, annoyed with the kids and frankly disinterested. I went to pick up my daughter one night and found that she had been strapped into a double buggy next to a screaming 14 month year old because she was "making too much noise." Instead of taking time to settle the very young kids, they are just expected to lie in beds and sleep in a strange room with babies crying. I am appalled that this is allowed to happen. Many many other parents were also saying the childcare was not up tp scratch, and if the club was in the UK I would have reported them to Ofsted without a doubt.


 The site management was exceptionally poor. Eleven year old children were able to sign themselves out of childrens clubs and wander the site on their own.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g187141-d615666-r137393190-San_Lucianu_Beach_Resort_Mark_Warner-Bastia_Haute_Corse_Corsica.html#

What is the relevance of this review of a resort in France in 2012 to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a Portuguese resort in 2007?