Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[G-Unit]

What is the relevance of this review of a resort in France in 2012 to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a Portuguese resort in 2007?

I'm just pointing out that not everyone has been impressed by the quality of the childcare Mark Warner provide. Kate didn't want strangers baby sitting her children but she had no qualms about the Kid's Clubs.

Looking at the record keeping I'm not impressed either. The signing in and out procedures were very lax and they're important in case of fire and other emergency evacuation situations and for insurance purposes. On a couple of occasions the Minis had seven children to one nanny, which seems a lot if an emergency occurs. The baby club was nearby and had one nanny to two babies, so their hands would be full. There was a supervisor and another Mini nanny, but if she had seven children also that was three people moving fourteen children out of the building. The sheets would have been important to check they had brought all the children out. On 2nd May Lily Payne was signed out at lunchtime but not signed in. How many times were children present but not recorded? We don't know, but once is too often.

[Eleanor]

I don't suppose we could possibly get back On Topic, could we?

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm just pointing out that not everyone has been impressed by the quality of the childcare Mark Warner provide. Kate didn't want strangers baby sitting her children but she had no qualms about the Kid's Clubs.

Looking at the record keeping I'm not impressed either. The signing in and out procedures were very lax and they're important in case of fire and other emergency evacuation situations and for insurance purposes. On a couple of occasions the Minis had seven children to one nanny, which seems a lot if an emergency occurs. The baby club was nearby and had one nanny to two babies, so their hands would be full. There was a supervisor and another Mini nanny, but if she had seven children also that was three people moving fourteen children out of the building. The sheets would have been important to check they had brought all the children out. On 2nd May Lily Payne was signed out at lunchtime but not signed in. How many times were children present but not recorded? We don't know, but once is too often.

It may have escaped your notice but until you have used a specific service you're probably not in the best position to pass judgement on it.  Would the McCanns have been aware of any of these supposed lapses?  Are you now going to use these supposed lapses as more fodder for McCann bashing? 

[G-Unit]

It may have escaped your notice but until you have used a specific service you're probably not in the best position to pass judgement on it.  Would the McCanns have been aware of any of these supposed lapses?  Are you now going to use these supposed lapses as more fodder for McCann bashing?

I don't need to use something to decide if it's good or bad. Mark Warner's children's clubs look like an accident waiting to happen.

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't need to use something to decide if it's good or bad. Mark Warner's children's clubs look like an accident waiting to happen.

Of course you don't.  Far better to take the word of an online reviewer writing about another resort altogether and decide they must all be rubbish, yes that's logical and fair. But the point I was making was that the McCanns would not have necessarily had fore knowledge of these alleged failings (not being blessed with your supreme insight and acuity).

[stephen25000]

Of course you don't.  Far better to take the word of an online reviewer writing about another resort altogether and decide they must all be rubbish, yes that's logical and fair. But the point I was making was that the McCanns would not have necessarily had fore knowledge of these alleged failings (not being blessed with your supreme insight and acuity).

Basically the mccanns had no common sense or logic in childcare.

That is the bottom line.

[Alfred R Jones]

Basically the mccanns had no common sense or logic in childcare.

That is the bottom line.

So, putting them into a Mark Warner holiday club demonstrates no sense or logic?  Tell that to the millions of parents who have done the same thing then.  Your posts demonstrate very little sense or logic IMO.

[stephen25000]

So, putting them into a Mark Warner holiday club demonstrates no sense or logic?  Tell that to the millions of parents who have done the same thing then.  Your posts demonstrate very little sense or logic IMO.

How many parents have left their children for several hours in unlocked accommodation by themselves ?

The illogical is yours.

[Eleanor]

Deleting Insults here as well, in a minute.

[Angelo222]

Deleting Insults here as well, in a minute.

Done it.

[Eleanor]

Done it.

Thank You.

[xtina]

It is YOU Blonk, that is clearly misleading the readers of this Forum, as can be seen from Caranas VERY well researched answer to you

Carana is perfection personified in her approach to getting evetything absolutely correct.  It must have taken her hours to collect and present her answer to you on this [above]


I know that it is not easy, but I think you owe Carana an apology, Blonk

i think that's a little odd to spend hours preparing for  one post ...

rather obsessive if true...and how you can get perfection and everything absolutely correct when the statements are full of inconsistencies ...i don't know how you work that out

so your post in its self ...as declaring the post mentioned as true 100% correct ...is misleading 

i don't think its your place to ask for apologies either

[xtina]

this to me is a prime example of how people can... think... they saw maddie ....

.not that they did ...

they just assumed she was there.


R O statement

Madeleine will have been there.  Erm, but if I’m honest, I can’t, you know, hand on heart, say, when I picked Ella up and took her down to the beach before the Nannies took her up to, erm, for high tea, that I saw Madeleine there.  But I got in early enough to get Ella out before the end of, well, you know, arrived just before they actually left to go up, so by rights she should have been there”.
1578    “Okay”.
 Reply    “And I think, I, I can’t remember what I said in my original statement on that one, to be fair.  Erm, but, erm, my gut feeling is that she was there when I picked Ella up.  But, as I say, you know, hand on heart, that’s not, that’s not a”.
1578    “Yeah, you do say you can’t say if you saw Madeleine”.
 Reply    “No, I think now it’s, I can’t honestly say that Madeleine was there when I picked Ella up at five

[Brietta]

this to me is a prime example of how people can... think... they saw maddie ....

.not that they did ...

they just assumed she was there.


R O statement

Madeleine will have been there.  Erm, but if I’m honest, I can’t, you know, hand on heart, say, when I picked Ella up and took her down to the beach before the Nannies took her up to, erm, for high tea, that I saw Madeleine there.  But I got in early enough to get Ella out before the end of, well, you know, arrived just before they actually left to go up, so by rights she should have been there”.
1578    “Okay”.
 Reply    “And I think, I, I can’t remember what I said in my original statement on that one, to be fair.  Erm, but, erm, my gut feeling is that she was there when I picked Ella up.  But, as I say, you know, hand on heart, that’s not, that’s not a”.
1578    “Yeah, you do say you can’t say if you saw Madeleine”.
 Reply    “No, I think now it’s, I can’t honestly say that Madeleine was there when I picked Ella up at five

Are you saying that Richard Hall asserts that the Amaral investigation failed in the elementary diligence of ascertaining the presence and existence of the missing child? and you are trying to 'prove' it?

[xtina]

Actually they didn't.  They could have had a 'free' breakfast every day - but chose not to.

IIRC there was no guarantee who would be babysitting as there was a rota system in place.

No way would I allow a virtual stranger to spend hours alone in my apartment with my children - no matter what their job was or how nice they seemed to be.

they didn't take advantage of the breakfast probably because ...it could have shown maddie was not there

as for they would not have known who would have been babysitting ....that would also go for the creche [all the nannies would have same checks/qualifications etc]

no way would you allow them alone in your apartment .....but it would be OK in a creche ...same thing...you are still leaving them

we are not on about what you would do anyway ....we are on about the mccs ..who would rather leave them with the the dangers of what could happen and did ...

than have the same trained people ...who had them during the day.

again it could have shown ...maddie was not there