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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #870 on: March 12, 2016, 09:24:30 AM »
Are you saying that Richard Hall asserts that the Amaral investigation failed in the elementary diligence of ascertaining the presence and existence of the missing child? and you are trying to 'prove' it?




the missing child by the way has a name ....maddie

as for proving it ...proving what exactly ...

the creche records being a mockery ...

people recognising maddie from a photo eighteen months ...aged two and a half

statements changed ...

the last photo being handed in three weeks later ...

no one seeing much of mccs during the day ....

why they picked twins  up first from creche ...and then walk all the way to pick maddie up ..then back again

the mccs using seprate entrance's to apartmen

etc......................etc................etc

well it no good asking you to prove the abduction ...is it ..because the proof of that is zero.

Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #871 on: March 12, 2016, 09:34:55 AM »
they didn't take advantage of the breakfast probably because ...it could have shown maddie was not there

...
the journey from 5a to the millennium is neither easy nor pleasant for parents with 3 kids that age.

Amelie and sean would need to be carried there and back.  the road is 2-way but it happens to be an integral part of the luz 1-way traffic system, so it can be busy.  that means someone holding on to madeleine while carrying 1 of the twins.

baptista was convenient, so it was logical.

it would have been different if they had a double buggy or 2 single buggies for the twins.
What's up, old man?

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #872 on: March 12, 2016, 09:53:31 AM »
the journey from 5a to the millennium is neither easy nor pleasant for parents with 3 kids that age.

Amelie and sean would need to be carried there and back.  the road is 2-way but it happens to be an integral part of the luz 1-way traffic system, so it can be busy.  that means someone holding on to madeleine while carrying 1 of the twins.

baptista was convenient, so it was logical.

it would have been different if they had a double buggy or 2 single buggies for the twins.

yes agreed ...although they could have hired a buggy ......if they had wanted to go

it was in reply to Bernice ......on reply post 831

who said they didn't take advantage of the free breakfast ...i mentioned the alternative
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #873 on: March 12, 2016, 10:12:22 AM »
they didn't take advantage of the breakfast probably because ...it could have shown maddie was not there

as for they would not have known who would have been babysitting ....that would also go for the creche [all the nannies would have same checks/qualifications etc]

no way would you allow them alone in your apartment .....but it would be OK in a creche ...same thing...you are still leaving them

we are not on about what you would do anyway ....we are on about the mccs ..who would rather leave them with the the dangers of what could happen and did ...

than have the same trained people ...who had them during the day.

again it could have shown ...maddie was not there

If you really can't see the difference between leaving your children alone in an apartment for hours with someone you hardly know - and leaving your children in a creche with other children, nannies and parents around  - then that's not my problem.

Why do you think Amaral and his team missed the 'fact' that Madeleine apparently disappeared on the 29th and not the 3rd May as they believed?  If it's so obvious to armchair detectives  - then why wasn't it to the PJ?
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #874 on: March 12, 2016, 10:17:35 AM »



the missing child by the way has a name ....maddie

as for proving it ...proving what exactly ...

the creche records being a mockery ...

people recognising maddie from a photo eighteen months ...aged two and a half

statements changed ...

the last photo being handed in three weeks later ...

no one seeing much of mccs during the day ....

why they picked twins  up first from creche ...and then walk all the way to pick maddie up ..then back again

the mccs using seprate entrance's to apartmen

etc......................etc................etc

well it no good asking you to prove the abduction ...is it ..because the proof of that is zero.

If Madeleine had been allowed to return home in the company of her family there would not have been a single 'suspicious' instance in the list you have given us.

Only febrile imagination makes normal everyday, insignificant occurrences so ... and even that takes a measure of ingenuity.

The people who are the main protagonists in the crime of kidnapping Madeleine McCann ... are the invisible ones ... they are those who are never mentioned or acknowledged.
No-one needs to manufacture a ludicrous conspiracy theory around 'last' photographs or 'clones' or why a family chose to breakfast together as part of their routine.

The person or people who abducted Madeleine are the guilty ones here.  I have no idea why there are those who have taken nearly nine years now out of their lives to deliberately play that fact down.

Fortunately, the Portuguese and the British police take a different view.  They have no interest in the McCann family.
Neither do they have any interest in their holiday companions.  They are searching for those guilty of this crime.

I think at the end of it all the conspiracy theorists such as Richard Hall will have to find something new to obsess about.

Don't know if it has escaped your notice but quite a few appear to have done so already ... and you appear to be rather banging a single drum in his support. 
Of course that could well be because few have had the stamina to sit through four hours of his speculations.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #875 on: March 12, 2016, 10:20:15 AM »
this to me is a prime example of how people can... think... they saw maddie ....

.not that they did ...

they just assumed she was there.


R O statement

Madeleine will have been there.  Erm, but if I’m honest, I can’t, you know, hand on heart, say, when I picked Ella up and took her down to the beach before the Nannies took her up to, erm, for high tea, that I saw Madeleine there.  But I got in early enough to get Ella out before the end of, well, you know, arrived just before they actually left to go up, so by rights she should have been there”.
1578    “Okay”.
 Reply    “And I think, I, I can’t remember what I said in my original statement on that one, to be fair.  Erm, but, erm, my gut feeling is that she was there when I picked Ella up.  But, as I say, you know, hand on heart, that’s not, that’s not a”.
1578    “Yeah, you do say you can’t say if you saw Madeleine”.
 Reply    “No, I think now it’s, I can’t honestly say that Madeleine was there when I picked Ella up at five


But if he'd agreed to lie for the McCanns and help them to cover up Madeleine's disappearance - then why didn't he just say ''Yes I definitely saw her''?      Job done.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #876 on: March 12, 2016, 10:34:28 AM »

But if he'd agreed to lie for the McCanns and help them to cover up Madeleine's disappearance - then why didn't he just say ''Yes I definitely saw her''?      Job done.

'Job done' benice ?

Interesting choice of phrase to describe witness statements, when the witess statements are to say the least, INCONSISTENT.


....and of course we do not know who has told the truth and who has lied. &%+((£

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #877 on: March 12, 2016, 01:21:48 PM »
this to me is a prime example of how people can... think... they saw maddie ....

.not that they did ...

they just assumed she was there.


R O statement

Madeleine will have been there.  Erm, but if I’m honest, I can’t, you know, hand on heart, say, when I picked Ella up and took her down to the beach before the Nannies took her up to, erm, for high tea, that I saw Madeleine there.  But I got in early enough to get Ella out before the end of, well, you know, arrived just before they actually left to go up, so by rights she should have been there”.
1578    “Okay”.
 Reply    “And I think, I, I can’t remember what I said in my original statement on that one, to be fair.  Erm, but, erm, my gut feeling is that she was there when I picked Ella up.  But, as I say, you know, hand on heart, that’s not, that’s not a”.
1578    “Yeah, you do say you can’t say if you saw Madeleine”.
 Reply    “No, I think now it’s, I can’t honestly say that Madeleine was there when I picked Ella up at five

That sounds to me like someone who is being deliberately vague. He is also vague about time. The sheet was signed at 4.30pm by Cat nanny, not 5.00pm.

Another person who was extremely vague is Emma Wilding. She was in charge of the 'Sharks', the other Mini group so she worked closely with Cat Baker.

She is not sure whether during the morning (3rd) Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; ...she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine's group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,.....She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.......She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

I don't know how many were in Emma's care on the morning of 3rd May but I find it strange that she didn't notice Cat organising six children to go sailing and didn't notice so many children disappearing for an hour or more.

In the afternoon Cat had only Madeleine and two boys to take to high tea. I assume both nanny's went up together, but again she didn't notice this one girl with Cat.

The Lobsters didn't go to the beach on 2nd May according to the activities sheet. They were supposed to go sailing but instead they had 'grass time'.

Lyndsay Johnston mentions the sailing;

Madeleine McCann participated in a boat trip, organised by the company's crêche. Several children participated in this outing to the sea, accompanied by the employees mentioned above and an expert in water activities, whose name she is not aware of.

The employees mentioned are;

Amy T. who, in her turn, coordinates a group of leaders composed of Catriona B. and Emma W.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

So according to LJ Emma and Amy should have been there when the sailing took place.

According to Cat's 'beach outing' statement  she and Alice S took the children to the beach. She stayed on the beach with the children and Chris U took three at a time out in a red amphibious boat to Alice S who sailed with them in a yellow catamaran. She also says they went to the beach on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, but the activities sheet says no beach on Wednesday. In her rog statement she gives the impression that she went on the boats with Madeleine, which suggests that three children were left on the beach alone.


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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #878 on: March 12, 2016, 01:24:59 PM »
Wednesday morning was raining so sailing was put back to Thursday morning which was dry.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #879 on: March 12, 2016, 01:30:46 PM »
That sounds to me like someone who is being deliberately vague. He is also vague about time. The sheet was signed at 4.30pm by Cat nanny, not 5.00pm.

Another person who was extremely vague is Emma Wilding. She was in charge of the 'Sharks', the other Mini group so she worked closely with Cat Baker.

She is not sure whether during the morning (3rd) Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; ...she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine's group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,.....She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.......She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

I don't know how many were in Emma's care on the morning of 3rd May but I find it strange that she didn't notice Cat organising six children to go sailing and didn't notice so many children disappearing for an hour or more.

In the afternoon Cat had only Madeleine and two boys to take to high tea. I assume both nanny's went up together, but again she didn't notice this one girl with Cat.

The Lobsters didn't go to the beach on 2nd May according to the activities sheet. They were supposed to go sailing but instead they had 'grass time'.

Lyndsay Johnston mentions the sailing;

Madeleine McCann participated in a boat trip, organised by the company's crêche. Several children participated in this outing to the sea, accompanied by the employees mentioned above and an expert in water activities, whose name she is not aware of.

The employees mentioned are;

Amy T. who, in her turn, coordinates a group of leaders composed of Catriona B. and Emma W.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LYNSAY-JAYNE.htm

So according to LJ Emma and Amy should have been there when the sailing took place.

According to Cat's 'beach outing' statement  she and Alice S took the children to the beach. She stayed on the beach with the children and Chris U took three at a time out in a red amphibious boat to Alice S who sailed with them in a yellow catamaran. She also says they went to the beach on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, but the activities sheet says no beach on Wednesday. In her rog statement she gives the impression that she went on the boats with Madeleine, which suggests that three children were left on the beach alone.
That sounds to me like you are accusing someone of deliberately trying to obstruct justice.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #880 on: March 12, 2016, 01:57:39 PM »
Wednesday morning was raining so sailing was put back to Thursday morning which was dry.

It's not just a matter of dry weather, IMO. Who would risk taking little kids out in anything more than calm sea conditions?

And dive and find pool time between 3:30 and 4:00 pm. That would seem odd if there had been a cold wind for the kids.


Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #881 on: March 12, 2016, 02:33:31 PM »
Why do you think Amaral and his team missed the 'fact' that Madeleine apparently disappeared on the 29th and not the 3rd May as they believed?  If it's so obvious to armchair detectives  - then why wasn't it to the PJ?

ANSWER:  Amaral had less than 5 months to figure things out, was booted out soon after he made the McCanns arguidos, and was then replaced by a government puppet. The 'armchair detectives', who include former senior police officers, have by contrast had eight years and ten months to sift, search for, find and analyse a whole lot more evidence and try and work out what really happened to Madeleine McCann. 

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #882 on: March 12, 2016, 02:39:16 PM »
ANSWER:  Amaral had less than 5 months to figure things out, was booted out soon after he made the McCanns arguidos, and was then replaced by a government puppet. The 'armchair detectives', who include former senior police officers, have by contrast had eight years and ten months to sift, search for, find and analyse a whole lot more evidence and try and work out what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

And senior police officers on both the UK and the PT side who are actually involved in reviewing evidence and are actively involved in the investigation based on the full files have determined that the McCanns are not persons of interest / suspects until further notice.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #883 on: March 12, 2016, 02:48:06 PM »
ANSWER:  Amaral had less than 5 months to figure things out, was booted out soon after he made the McCanns arguidos, and was then replaced by a government puppet. The 'armchair detectives', who include former senior police officers, have by contrast had eight years and ten months to sift, search for, find and analyse a whole lot more evidence and try and work out what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

This Comment is very close to Libel of another PJ Officer.  Please don't do that again.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #884 on: March 12, 2016, 02:54:05 PM »
It's not just a matter of dry weather, IMO. Who would risk taking little kids out in anything more than calm sea conditions?

And dive and find pool time between 3:30 and 4:00 pm. That would seem odd if there had been a cold wind for the kids.



Granted these were not "little kids" but are examples of who would do what and how when they shouldn't.
Lyme Bay early 1990s
Glenridding Beck incident of early 2000s ?
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