Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Lace]

Ok I'll just give names.

Rhiannon

Sarah Elizabeth Williamson

[Lace]

Stacy Potz crèche nanny,  with Sean and Amelie everyday from 29th April - 3rd of May.   Also knew Madeleine as she would frequently come talk to her brother and sister when picked up by her parents.

[Lace]

Susan Bernadette Owen,  saw Madeleine and the twins arriving at crèche.

[Lace]

Not counting the friends,  the cleaner,  Mrs. Boyd and anyone else I've missed.

[G-Unit]

How reliable are the nanny's statements?

Amy Tierney;
The witness confirms that she also knows Madeleine's parents as they would go to fetch her from the club, but she adds that it was normally Madeleine's father who did this.
the club is closed on Sundays on that day it only offers the dinner service.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

Both the above are wrong.

Cat Baker;
that the parents were attentive to their daughter given that they asked what Madeleine had done in the creche and that they even accompanied Madeleine a few times in certain outside activities.
the only days they went to the beach were Tuesday afternoon (1 May 2007) between 15:30 and 16:30, on Wednesday (the next day) at the same time and on Thursday between 10 and 11 o'clock
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA-B.htm

Both wrong, or at least not confirmed.

Emma Wilding;
She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew's (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

She didn't notice 7 kids and Cat had gone missing and Kate picked MM up at lunchtime, not Gerry.

Jackie Williams;

Says she saw MM at high tea, but gives no description. Saw parents only twice at high tea.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm

Kirsty Maryan;

she only, on one occasion, had contact with Madeleine McCann, for about 30 minutes 'who was treated as Maddie' in that she had to substitute for her colleague, who, at that time, was responsible for the group whose name is Emma, as she had to go to the Tapas to take care of the refreshments of Madeleine's group.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIRSTY-MARYAN.htm

Unlikely, MM wasn't in Emma's group.

Shinead Vine, who cared for the twins;

she saw Madeleine McCann once
Shinead Maria Vine 2007.05.07

Sarah Williamson;

the twins were generally left at the creche at 09.00 and that the parents dropped them off before leaving Madeleine in her classroom.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SARA-ELIZABETH-WILLIAMSON.htm

Strange, yet Shinead only saw her once, although she was in the same room and actually in charge of the twins.

Stacey Potz saw her even if Shinead didn't;
She also knew Madeleine as she would frequently come talk to her brother and sister when picked up by her parents;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STACY-POTZ.htm

Was Shinead paying no attention at all?

Susan Owen saw her;
she came into contact on some occasions with a child known as Madeleine McCann, clarifying that the contact was formal and of short duration,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm

Three nannys in Toddlers 2 and the one who had the twins saw MM less than anyone else did.

[Lace]

Are you saying that these nannies did not tell the truth to the police?    Why would they do that?   These nannies were there when the children went to the crèche,   they would know if it was Madeleine or not,   Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the crèche all week is utterly stupid.

These nannies have given statements to the police,   if they hadn't seen Madeleine then they would have said so as some have.

[pathfinder73]

It's not credible. Kate dropped the twins off with Madeleine (14:45) then dropped Madeleine off (14:50) on the 3 May so of course Madeleine would be seen with the twins at times by tapas staff.

[G-Unit]

It's not credible. Kate dropped the twins off with Madeleine (14:45) then dropped Madeleine off (14:50) on the 3 May so of course Madeleine would be seen with the twins at times by tapas staff.

Do you mean the creche staff? Only one of the Tapas staff refers to seeing her. None of them mention the influx of children for High Tea. As 48 Mark Warner children were eligible for this tea it's strange that none of the Tapas staff mention this daily influx of children at 4.45-5pm.

[G-Unit]

Are you saying that these nannies did not tell the truth to the police?    Why would they do that?   These nannies were there when the children went to the crèche,   they would know if it was Madeleine or not,   Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the crèche all week is utterly stupid.

These nannies have given statements to the police,   if they hadn't seen Madeleine then they would have said so as some have.

I don't think the nannys lied, I just think they're unreliable witnesses. Some thought they saw MM, but probably didn't (Kirsty M). Some should have been familiar with her but weren't (Shinead V).

[xtina]

Are you saying that these nannies did not tell the truth to the police?    Why would they do that?   These nannies were there when the children went to the crèche,   they would know if it was Madeleine or not,   Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the crèche all week is utterly stupid.

These nannies have given statements to the police,   if they hadn't seen Madeleine then they would have said so as some have.

Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

well it didn't the Boyd's..did it







It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the creche all week is utterly stupid.


yes but it isn't stupid ...is it....only to you...

as for them not telling the truth ....why was there so many inconsistencies ...making there statements not credable ....what they thought they saw ....and what they did see ...are two different things ...not necessarily lies.

[Lace]

I don't think the nannys lied, I just think they're unreliable witnesses. Some thought they saw MM, but probably didn't (Kirsty M). Some should have been familiar with her but weren't (Shinead V).

Have you ever thought that maybe Shinead was busy with other children when Madeleine came with her parent/s to pick the twins up?   That maybe they were outside of the room when talking?

The nanny who says that Madeleine came to talk to her brother and sister,  would hardly state that she saw Madeleine if she hadn't,  it would be obvious it was Madeleine talking to her siblings.

[Lace]

Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

well it didn't the Boyd's..did it







It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the creche all week is utterly stupid.


yes but it isn't stupid ...is it....only to you...

as for them not telling the truth ....why was there so many inconsistencies ...making there statements not credable ....what they thought they saw ....and what they did see ...are two different things ...not necessarily lies.

Mrs. Boyd was speaking about seeing Madeleine not the twins,   the twins could have been with Gerry then taken to the crèche.

Why would the nannies be mistaken?    They were there working at the crèche,  why would they give false statements to the police?

Cat was with Madeleine every day,  do you not think she would know Madeleine from any other child?   

Look how many nannies say they saw Madeleine,  they can't all be mistaken.

[Lace]

Do you mean the creche staff? Only one of the Tapas staff refers to seeing her. None of them mention the influx of children for High Tea. As 48 Mark Warner children were eligible for this tea it's strange that none of the Tapas staff mention this daily influx of children at 4.45-5pm.

Dianne Webster says she saw the children at high tea,   she specifically says she didn't see Madeleine on the Thursday as she was at the beach,  but she says she saw the children the rest of the week.   No where in her statement does she say Madeleine was missing from high tea up to the Thursday.

Then of course I doubt if the word of Dianne Webster will be believed either.

[xtina]

Mrs. Boyd was speaking about seeing Madeleine not the twins,   the twins could have been with Gerry then taken to the crèche.

Why would the nannies be mistaken?    They were there working at the crèche,  why would they give false statements to the police?

Cat was with Madeleine every day,  do you not think she would know Madeleine from any other child?   

Look how many nannies say they saw Madeleine,  they can't all be mistaken.

how many times did some change statements .....so which are the ones you are talking about no matter how you look at it ...they are not definite proof ....that maddie was there ...



Like everyone else, I believed that Madeleine was seen during the holidays as there were so many people that claimed to have seen her.

I attempted to try to find out which ones were credible, hopefully leading to the last day that she was seen with a fair amount of certainty...

As I started to collate them and then scrutinise each one I realised that apart from Fatima da Silva who saw Madeleine and the family outside the apartment as they were probably heading up to lunch at the Paynes (I checked her statement for he work times to see if she actually was finished work at hat time as she said...and it was correct.) there was NOT ONE statement that had a similar degree of credibility.

I thought that the possibility of something happening to Madeleine prior to Thursday would be impossible but after reading all the statements, every one (except Fatima) allows for doubt. Some were very obviously mistaken.

This is the list of everyone that 'saw' Madeleine during the holiday according to their statements.

Fátima María Serafim da Silva Espada (5A Cleaner's daughter) - Credible

Cecilia Dias Firmino - Receptionist at Millenium - described a shy Madeleine and saw them on days they were not at restaurant. - Therefore, not proof that she saw Madeleine...She may have seen one of the other tapas children

Jeronimo Salcedes - Tapas Barman - Admits to not being able to recognise if it was Madeleine.

Maria M A Jose - Tapas Cook - Described seeing Madeleine every lunchtime in the tapas next to the creche Madeleine attended, but Madeleine did not go to that creche so she was mistaken with which child she saw.

Luisa Ana de Noronha de Azevedo Coutinho ( Receptionist) - Claims to have seen Madeleine with ROB but his daughter was not in the creche that morning and looks very similar to Madeleine so likely mistaken.

Georgina Jackson - Tennis instructor - Was non specific about seeing Madeleine...only that she was part of the group for that morning.

Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.

The Boyds Their son supposedly played with Madeleine on the waterslide on May 3rd - They made no statement, just a magazine article that has many discrepancies about its credibility which I can explain further if necessary.

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Charlotte Pennington - Already accepted as being questionable with many contradictions and discrepancies.
Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Emma Wilding -Did not know Madeleine well and makes incorrect statement about seeing Gerry

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - The didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-

Non Specific comments that do not  confirm Madeleine's presence:-

Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins
Stephen Carpenter
Daniel Stuk

, according to their statement, PROBABLY saw Madeleine during the week.

Some are obviously mistaken but the remainder (and there are very few considering she was there for more than 5 days) are questionable at best.

For those of us that believe something happened earlier, the statements confirm there is a possibility that she may not have been seen.

[Benice]

Are you saying that these nannies did not tell the truth to the police?    Why would they do that?   These nannies were there when the children went to the crèche,   they would know if it was Madeleine or not,   Madeleine had twin siblings,  something that would stick in any persons mind.

It is ridiculous to suggest that all these nannies are not telling the truth.   The idea that Madeleine was not at the crèche all week is utterly stupid.

These nannies have given statements to the police,   if they hadn't seen Madeleine then they would have said so as some have.

I totally agree Lace.   There was absolutely no reason for the nannies to lie about anything - unless we are to believe they agreed to be part of a conspiracy to cover up the death of a child - a concept which is straight out of fantasyland IMO as there is not a single credible reason why several normal, sane people  would agree to do something which is obviously sooooooo stupid  - not to mention dangerous.      The whole idea is bonkers imo.

IMO all witnesses genuinely and truthfully gave their accounts of that week to the best of their ability.  However - due to the fallibility of memory -  that doesn't mean their recollections would always be 100%  accurate - so obviously there will be discrepancies. 

IMO some sceptics clearly do not comprehend that fact and believe that discrepancies automatically mean that people must be deliberately lying - and hence barmy conspiracies (like this one)  are born.   

Fortunately for the justice system - professional, experienced policemen know better.