Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Carana]

Some people seem to feel that the nannies aren't credible, but fail to take into account the possibility of mistakes in the summary statements:

Amy Tierney:
The hours of the club are from 09.00 to 12.30 and from 14.30 to 17.30, the club is closed on Sundays on that day it only offers the dinner service.


 Jacqueline Mary Williams:
 When questioned she states that the crêche is open every day, except for Saturdays at the resort, which is the day off for all the nannies, on Saturdays there is just a support service for any eventual need, involving two nannies.

The crèche records show that they were open on Sundays. Being closed on Saturday makes more sense as that would be the changeover day for families on a one-week holiday.

[Brietta]

The whole idea of a substitute child is too ridiculous for words.

Also:

Imagine as an employee of MW  being approached by someone who was a total stranger to you until a couple of days ago  - who tells you that their child has died in their apartment and they want you to help them to cover it up from the police.

Would you:

Call the police?

Call the men in white coats?

or say

Oh is that all?  Yes of course I will.  No problem - what do you want me to do?.  Oh btw - what was your name again?
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The idea that they would agree to becoming an accessory to such a serious crime -  is as ludicrous as the idea that Gerry would approach a complete stranger with such an admission and  request in the first place.

AIMO

It is easy enough to dream up a particular scenario if one is minded to do so and post a film about it on You Tube ~ which in my experience is not an imprimatur.  It is however insulting peoples' intelligence if the suggested scenario is absolutely unworkable when all the individuals who had contact with the subject of the alleged plot are factored into the equation.

[G-Unit]

The parents were present when the children ate their tea,  I would imagine that when the parents arrived the children would be seated with the parents.

In which case the signing out would have been at the beginning of the meal, not the end.

where they [the children] had dinner under the supervision of the employees and, at times, with their parents. The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Concerning the operating hours, there are four separate services.

    * Mornings: 9am-12.30pm
    * Afternoons: 2.30-5.30pm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA.htm

[Brietta]

Yet this man is selling his video's and touring giving lectures   beggars belief.

We know he is a conspiracy theorist with an opinion on almost everything whether inexplicable or not, if it isn't he will make it so.  But in my opinion out of respect for his target audience he should at least do the modicum of research to back up his theories.

I've not looked at where he is coming from on other issues ... and the man has to make a living somehow ... but this one 'revelation' from four hours of video is very simply unworkable. 

The sources you have quoted in other posts from various unconnected individuals are proof of that.  Madeleine was undoubtedly seen alive and well over the period when this man suggests she lay dead ... somewhere? ... anywhere?

[xtina]

Yet this man is selling his video's and touring giving lectures   beggars belief.

yes maybe to you

but not to the many thousands who have seen the  video's ....and the  packed attendance at  his lectures[in fact he gets a standing ovation...not everyone believes the mccs ...or the abduction

every thing is there  for all to see...so it is legal..it cant be proved what he is showing ...is not true

[xtina]

I didn't mention 'abduction'.  My post was about Richard Hall's assertion (??? apparently, as I have not watched his videos) that Madeleine "died" on the Sunday and therefore could not have been seen between then and Thursday.

You must concede that it would not be an easy thing to do to conceal that one of the children who had travelled in a party was missing without her absence being noticed.

Who was the child masquerading as Madeleine and being signed in and out of the crèche and who took part in activities?

The files do not contain every iota of the McCann holiday nor do they contain all the intelligence gathered.  One of the first diligences performed by the PJ was to find out when and where Madeleine was seen as well as when she was last seen by someone who was not a family member.

It was elementary and it was carried out.  Mr Amaral has come up with one or two interesting ideas as to how the body was disposed of ... he has never made the suggestion that anything happened to her before the alarm was raised on Thursday.
That is because he had the evidence that was not the case.  To think the PJ did not check this out thoroughly is, I think, rather an insult to them.

insult  to the PJ ............

all of a sudden G A  is right...you have changed your tune ...or is it just to suit your agenda ....

you don't know what happened to maddie ....it does come across you don't care either ....and go to great lengths to back the abduction up

but you cannot can you ....there is no ...no proff abduction took place.

your wrong as well criticising the work of R H ...when you haven't even seen it ...

so is your sole purpose that of destroying ..anything to show maybe abduction did not take place ....because there is nothing to say ..that it did

[Lace]

In which case the signing out would have been at the beginning of the meal, not the end.

where they [the children] had dinner under the supervision of the employees and, at times, with their parents. The dinner ended at 17h30 the time at which the employee supervision ended and the parents took over watching the children in the play area until 18h30.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Concerning the operating hours, there are four separate services.

    * Mornings: 9am-12.30pm
    * Afternoons: 2.30-5.30pm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA.htm

So you think the nannies were helping feed the twins?

[Brietta]

insult  to the PJ ............well your the one good at that usually

all of a sudden G A  is right...you have changed your tune ...or is it just to suit your agenda ....

you don't know what happened to maddie ....it does come across you don't care either ....and go to great lengths to back the abduction up

but you cannot can you ....there is no ...no proff abduction took place.

your wrong as well criticising the work of R H ...when you haven't even seen it ...

so is your sole purpose that of destroying ..anything to show maybe abduction did not take place ....because there is nothing to say ..that it did

One of the very first things the PJ did when Goncalo Amaral was co-ordinator was to ascertain who the victim was and when she was last seen by a non-family member.

Your promotion of Richard Hall's theory that Madeleine McCann had not to all intents and purposes existed since the Sunday of her arrival in Luz flies in the face of that ... and in my opinion suggests that you consider the PJ and the co-ordinator were negligent ... really, really negligent ... or complete and utter idiots.

That is not my opinion of them and never really has been.

What is your explanation of how Richard Hall was able to pick up on facts you obviously think the PJ missed?

[Brietta]

insult  to the PJ ............

all of a sudden G A  is right...you have changed your tune ...or is it just to suit your agenda ....

you don't know what happened to maddie ....it does come across you don't care either ....and go to great lengths to back the abduction up

but you cannot can you ....there is no ...no proff abduction took place.

your wrong as well criticising the work of R H ...when you haven't even seen it ...

so is your sole purpose that of destroying ..anything to show maybe abduction did not take place ....because there is nothing to say ..that it did

I have made no secret of the fact I have not subjected myself to four hours of Richard Hall's videos. 

I have relied on the learned discussion which has taken place between those who have for my information.

That would include you?

To date absolutely nothing has been put forward to substantiate the claim made that Madeleine (Died?) on the Sunday of her arrival in Luz and I consider it to be absolute balderdash.

I have read many well researched posts on this thread which have established that Richard Hall's claim is not only lacking in research but is totally misguided and wrong.

On those facts I have based my opinion and my posts.

[G-Unit]

So you think the nannies were helping feed the twins?

High Tea began at 5pm? The children were cared for by the nannys until 5.30pm, so obviously the nannys supervised the children during the meal. Most days each nanny had no more than two children each to care for.

Toddler 2

Sun 6 kids 3 nannys
Mon 4 kids 3 nannys
Tues 4 kids 3 nannys
Wed 6 kids 3 nannys
Thurs 6 kids 3 nannys

That she only knows that Madeleine McCanns parents would come to pick her up, as with her siblings, between 17H15 and 17H30, at the location where all the children of the creche got together to have dinner, in the Tapas restaurant, related to the resort in question;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SUSAN-OWEN.htm

[ferryman]

When there is zero evidence Madeleine is dead, why was a thread like this allowed to see light of day, let alone run to 64 pages?

[ferryman]

insult  to the PJ ............

all of a sudden G A  is right...you have changed your tune ...or is it just to suit your agenda ....

you don't know what happened to maddie ....it does come across you don't care either ....and go to great lengths to back the abduction up

but you cannot can you ....there is no ...no proff abduction took place.

your wrong as well criticising the work of R H ...when you haven't even seen it ...

so is your sole purpose that of destroying ..anything to show maybe abduction did not take place ....because there is nothing to say ..that it did

Goncalo Amaral states that Dr. David Payne saw Madeleine, alive and well, at around 5pm May 3rd (2007).

Amaral didn't get much right, but that is one of the (few!) things he did (get right!)

What is wrong with giving credit where it's due?

[Carana]

Where has Blonk gone?


In a comment to me, he stated:

It is disputed whether there was such a 'high tea' arrangement that week, and there is as you know evidence that contradicts it.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg313729#msg313729

Did I miss his substantiated reply?

[G-Unit]

Goncalo Amaral states that Dr. David Payne saw Madeleine, alive and well, at around 5pm May 3rd (2007).

Amaral didn't get much right, but that is one of the (few!) things he did (get right!)

What is wrong with giving credit where it's due?

Do you have a cite for that please? I think Amaral was referring to the nanny. He wasn't too sure about Dr David Payne's evidence that he saw Madeleine at 6.30pm

[Alice Purjorick]

Yet this man is selling his video's and touring giving lectures  beggars belief.

Why?
If you take off the limited view "McCann spectacles" and don "wider world spectacles" you will note that books are  being written yet about the assassinations of Abe Lincoln and Jack Kennedy and also the Moors Murders to name but three not forgetting that books were being written about JonBenet Ramsey eight years after her death. Everyone loves a mystery or conspiracy theory, a gory mystery being even better. Added to which they will sell.