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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1170 on: March 27, 2016, 03:29:43 PM »
Sadie,

I am not aware of the history of this, therefore I cannot comment on such previous handling.

May I suggest that if you wish to bring something to John's attention, it would be better to PM him.  He has a lot of area to cover and therefore relies on the forum team to do most of the groundwork.  As such, I doubt that he reads every post on here.

I have modified your last two posts in a very minor manner, but let 99% stand as is.

You are entitled to your opinion, and to express it.  I happen to hold a different point of view to you on this.

This forum is, AFAIK,  the only one where Mr Hall's video is being subjected to critical independent analysis.  If this voice is silenced, the remainder appears to be propaganda type support for the video.  Personally, I am happier to see the issues with Mr Hall's video brought into the light.

I happen to hold a similar opinion about topics such as the Tennis Balls photo and the Last Photo i.e. that it is better to examine them on a balanced forum rather than to not air our members views on these.

Of course, John is free to delete any topic he deems inappropriate.  I am simply expressing my opinion as a commentator.
What's up, old man?

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1171 on: March 27, 2016, 03:53:45 PM »
Sadie,

I am not aware of the history of this, therefore I cannot comment on such previous handling.

May I suggest that if you wish to bring something to John's attention, it would be better to PM him.  He has a lot of area to cover and therefore relies on the forum team to do most of the groundwork.  As such, I doubt that he reads every post on here.

I have modified your last two posts in a very minor manner, but let 99% stand as is.

You are entitled to your opinion, and to express it.  I happen to hold a different point of view to you on this.

This forum is, AFAIK,  the only one where Mr Hall's video is being subjected to critical independent analysis.  If this voice is silenced, the remainder appears to be propaganda type support for the video.  Personally, I am happier to see the issues with Mr Hall's video brought into the light.

I happen to hold a similar opinion about topics such as the Tennis Balls photo and the Last Photo i.e. that it is better to examine them on a balanced forum rather than to not air our members views on these.

Of course, John is free to delete any topic he deems inappropriate.  I am simply expressing my opinion as a commentator.

Agreed. We should censor nothing - unless it breaks forum rules.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

ferryman

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1172 on: March 27, 2016, 04:16:29 PM »
Trouble is that if there is an (entirely arbitrary) forum dictum that something should not be discussed then it isn't; or attempts to discuss it are suppressed.

That's censorship ...

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1173 on: March 27, 2016, 04:23:00 PM »
I haven't noticed that happening, but the editors word is final as far as I'm concerned and those that don't like it can always choose to go elsewhere.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline sadie

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1174 on: March 27, 2016, 04:44:50 PM »
Sadie,

I am not aware of the history of this, therefore I cannot comment on such previous handling.

May I suggest that if you wish to bring something to John's attention, it would be better to PM him.  He has a lot of area to cover and therefore relies on the forum team to do most of the groundwork.  As such, I doubt that he reads every post on here.

I have modified your last two posts in a very minor manner, but let 99% stand as is.

You are entitled to your opinion, and to express it.  I happen to hold a different point of view to you on this.

This forum is, AFAIK,  the only one where Mr Hall's video is being subjected to critical independent analysis.  If this voice is silenced, the remainder appears to be propaganda type support for the video.  Personally, I am happier to see the issues with Mr Hall's video brought into the light.

I happen to hold a similar opinion about topics such as the Tennis Balls photo and the Last Photo i.e. that it is better to examine them on a balanced forum rather than to not air our members views on these.

Of course, John is free to delete any topic he deems inappropriate.  I am simply expressing my opinion as a commentator.

Thank you Shining for coming back to me. 
It was the impressive brain and poster gilet, IIRC, and maybe the equally impressive American intellectual, Debunker who got Hi-de-Ho's videos removed from this forum.  It is my mind that we were told at the time that such blatent myths, disinformation and conspiracy blurb would not be allowed on forum


As for Richard Hall and his stuff, i have no bones about his stuff being discussed.  It should be, but I aint entering the fray.

What i do have is an anger that Blonk appears to be on here mainly to advertise his petition, and nasty sites like these.  At one time he was daily advertising the damned petition.  This is not an advertising site ... nor ever should be.


What I also hope is that if Bennett is breaking his commitments to the Courts, that he is held responsible for his actions.  I have no wish to see him lose his home but if he flaunts his commitments to the Courts, then so be it.  It will be his own fault

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I would say that I was in Court.  Bennett had a huge following with the Court being packed with his followers.  I subsequently heard from the mouth of one of his followers that it had been pre arranged that they would pack out the Court so that no supporters of the Mccanns could get a seat.   I managed to get in one session out of three.  Otherwise, I think only two, maybe three others from our side managed to get seats out of 3 sessions  ..... That is not 'Right and Proper' behaviour.   And these people go on about Justice !!!


What I really noticed was that in the video of Bennett approaching the Crown Courts he looked so dreadfully forlorn and alone.  That was a put on for the TV cameras, just to get the heart strings going ... The woman behind him at a just respectable distance was his friend who helped him with the case.  They pretended not to know each other ! 

Poor Tony Bennett, all alone and those dreadful Mccanns!  8)><(

What a double deceit.

Bring on the violin music.



Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1175 on: March 27, 2016, 05:11:49 PM »

Hi De Ho was given ample opportunity to answer questions about her videos.  She declined, and left.  So there was no censorship.
Her videos were only removed after that.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1176 on: March 27, 2016, 05:45:09 PM »
Hi De Ho was given ample opportunity to answer questions about her videos.  She declined, and left.  So there was no censorship.
Her videos were only removed after that.

Thank you Eleanor.  My view is that this forum is valuable in allowing and encouraging debate from all sides.  In the context of this case, where opinions tend to become very strongly polarised and debate heated, is quite an achievement and John and the moderators should take full credit for this.  And this forum is unique in this respect.

I have never believed in censorship - much better to have open debate. 

Keep up the good work


Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1177 on: March 27, 2016, 05:58:07 PM »
Thank you Eleanor.  My view is that this forum is valuable in allowing and encouraging debate from all sides.  In the context of this case, where opinions tend to become very strongly polarised and debate heated, is quite an achievement and John and the moderators should take full credit for this.  And this forum is unique in this respect.

I have never believed in censorship - much better to have open debate. 

Keep up the good work

John has done an amazing job.  He might not always be here, but believe me, he always knows what is going on.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1178 on: March 27, 2016, 06:33:56 PM »
John has done an amazing job.  He might not always be here, but believe me, he always knows what is going on.

I disagree...the forum is still heavily weighted towards the sceptics which has caused the best pro posters to leave

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1179 on: March 27, 2016, 06:37:31 PM »
Was Madeleine at High Tea on 3 May 2007?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZV9Ten-HkY

The relevant slab in Mr Hall's documentary runs from c27.05 to c49.18, so Mr Hall devotes about 22 minutes as to whether Madeleine was alive at the time.

At the start of this, Cat Baker is used to describe High Tea.  It is a process that takes place near the Tapas Bar and is attended by children, parents and crèche nannies.

Mr Hall then asserts that this High Tea was not confirmed by independent witnesses.  G-Unit has produced a list of people who should have attended High Tea that day, and it is not a short list, albeit most of them did not give statements that have been released to the public.

The complete absence of a High Tea that day would take us straight into 'massive conspiracy theory'.

However, Mr Raj Balu did give a statement, and he says that his child attended the High Tea that day, and that afterwards the Tapas Bar was full, as per usual. Mr Balu socialised with his partner, his child, Mr Neil Berry, Mr Berry's wife, presumably the Berry's child, two women who did not give statements, and presumably other parents and children who were involved in the High Tea.

I may be wrong, but it seems the signing out procedure required the nanny of any particular group of children to be present to see 'her' children signed out.  The basic pattern seems to require multiple nannies to attend, not just Cat Baker.

At this point there is a simple choice about that High Tea.  Either, it did not take place, requiring a massive conspiracy, or it took place.  I simply cannot see this particular massive conspiracy option standing up to basic scrutiny.

By this point, I have only covered Mr Hall's video from c27.05 to c28.03.  There is thus a considerable way to travel, but this post is long enough, so I will leave the remainder to another time.
What's up, old man?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1180 on: March 27, 2016, 06:44:59 PM »
I disagree...the forum is still heavily weighted towards the sceptics which has caused the best pro posters to leave

I do believe that this is unfair.  There is absolutely no sign of bias from either of the two new Moderators.

And no one knows better than I of how hurtful it is to be accused when one is genuinely doing one's best to be fair.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1181 on: March 27, 2016, 06:53:33 PM »
I do believe that this is unfair.  There is absolutely no sign of bias from either of the two new Moderators.

And no one knows better than I of how hurtful it is to be accused when one is genuinely doing one's best to be fair.
you may think it is unfair but I don't...note I never mentioned the two new moderators

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1182 on: March 27, 2016, 07:04:25 PM »
Yes.

Both your assumptions are perfectly correct.

A 'view' could be anything from say half a minute and then decoding not to bother, to watching the whole of one of Hall's 4-hour Madeleine's films at one sitting.   

You asked: "What if a person 'views' the same video in its entirety by making several repeat visits to it  - does every new visit count as another 'view'?"

ANSWER: Yes, I am almost certain that it does count as another view each time. 

But I've nowhere claimed that the stats were of viewings of the whole film.

It's just that they are significant viewing figures, even allowing for the fact that some 'views' may be quite short.

Given that not that many people are interested in the minutiae of the Madeleine McCann case, to have well over a million views (including those viewed elsewhere than YouTube, that is) in 18 months, with another 2,400 or more 'clocking on' every single day to view more of his films, is enough to raise eyebrows in some quarters.

It is certainly what motivated independent journalist Jenny Kleeman to travel up to Nottingham and try to film Hall at one of his meetings last year             

#so back on topic...
your claim that "another 2400 or more are clocking on every day" has absolutely no basis in fact

Offline sadie

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1183 on: March 27, 2016, 10:41:16 PM »
I do believe that this is unfair.  There is absolutely no sign of bias from either of the two new Moderators.

And no one knows better than I of how hurtful it is to be accused when one is genuinely doing one's best to be fair.
The two newest Maderators will behave in a good and honourable  manner, because that is the nature of both of them as with you too Eleanor and dear Anna.  But there has been considerable bias shown by several moderators in the past and quite recent past at that.


Davel is right.
This forum had some outstanding posters who were banned for inadequate reasons.  Also some were deliberately set upon by a "gang" and  harrassed out.


My congratulations to Brietta and Shining for their new Modship positions ... and my thanks to you Eleanor and Anna for your fairness and unbiased modding.   I wasn't on forum for the voting.


Do hope that you will be a lot better soon Anna

sadie x

Offline sadie

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1184 on: March 27, 2016, 10:48:38 PM »
Hi De Ho was given ample opportunity to answer questions about her videos.  She declined, and left.  So there was no censorship.
Her videos were only removed after that.
I think that you came on here maybe a little before me, Eleanor ... and i caught the end of the Hi-de-ho scandal.

It was my understanding, i think from gilet, that the videos had been censored.   Gilet certainly fought very hard to have them removed.  I would call it sensored, because much of their content was just myths against the Mccanns.... and untrue.

However, I see that these propaganda videos have been slowly creeping back in.