"they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did" claim.

[stephen25000]

stephen, I have done this before for you.  Why are you choosing not to remember it ?


Mcc's left the apartment at 8.30, having checked that the children were sleeping.

Gerry did first check 35 mins later at 9.05

Kate got up to check at 9'30/9.35 pm, but Matt, who was doing his own check, offered to do it for Kate.  Matt went into apartment 5A ,, saw the twins sleeping but Madeleine was out of sight around the corner.  All was peaceful so he naturally assumed all was well with Madeleine.

Kate did her check at about 10pm to find Madeleine missing.


So:
Arrived 8.30
Gerry checked 9.05
Matt checked 9.35
Kate checked 10.00


Every half hour checked.  Matt did an additional audio check by listening at the window (at about 9 pm IIRC.)  Despite this Gerry rechecked, presumably he felt that he preferred a sighted check.


Now, stephen will you please stop bringing up this same old chestnut.  Seems that by any means you are trying to demean and destroy the Mccanns
How about being honest and decent?.

I am also talking about all the evenings and which checks were a tally independently verified.

Also, did gerry mccann actually view his daughter in his 'check' ?

Also, I don't have to 'demean or destroy' the mccanns. They did that themselves, didn't they.

[ShiningInLuz]

Obviously the guests to this forum probably already have an interest in this forum and will know what the court found or proved or not proved.

Not from reading threads like these they won't.  I haven't followed the McCanns v Amaral trial because it has very little to do with Madeleine's disappearance and seems to hinge instead on the McCanns right to a good name v Amaral's right to freedom of speech.

Working out what has being going on in a lengthy process in Portuguese conducted according to Portuguese law, and throwing in things like Amaral's book, the documentary, and the Archiving Report is beyond most people, even ardent followers of the case.

So most guests are going to be bamboozled by discussion on here about how this case works, and whether the judge ever attempted to establish actual facts concerning the checking as opposed to quoting or summarising stated 'facts' from a book, video or Archiving Report.

The judge does not appear to have been interested in conducting a criminal investigation herself.

[stephen25000]

Carana, John and myself have all explained it very well, I think even Alice had a go.  The fact that you stubbornly refuse to accept what is blindingly obvious to the rest of us is your problem, or perhaps you're just doing it because you know it winds people up?

The only ruling which counts at the moment, bar the appeal , is the judge in the case. Your interpretation is irrelevant.

[Carana]

The only ruling which counts at the moment, bar the appeal , is the judge in the case. Your interpretation is irrelevant.

The case at hand being the damages / defamation one.

[sadie]

Sadie, Matt and Russ left to check at 9:25 according to them both after their starters not 9:30/35. And Matt said Kate left to check at 9:50 not 10.

"Some minutes later, at 21h25, the deponent went to his apartment to do a further check, he having done that together with ROB who intended to do the same with his two girls. "

"By the way, he clarifies that that news had been communicated to all the friends who were in the Tapas by KM subsequent to her having personally been to her flat to check that her children were well.

The question asked, he relates that she had gone there alone to do that at 21:50. "

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-10MAY.htm

Name: Russell James O'Brien
Date: 2007/05/11

"Around 21h25, taking advantage of a pause in the service of the first plate, the deponent left the restaurant with Matthew Oldfield to check on the children."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

Yep, you are right Pfinder about the time they think and state they left to do their checks.

However, to remind you, Pfinder, Matt checked his own first, then went to Russells apartment.  Presumably they had a short chat because Russells daughter was poorly, and then Russell let Matt out of the back patio door.  Matt walked along the alleyway, up the outside steps and went into 5A.  He had time to look at the collection of books that were there before he left, so my bet is that it was about 9.30 actual time when he checked.

Thanks for noticing that.  I would go for 9.30 as the time Matt checked 5A [as near as we can work out]

[stephen25000]

The case at hand being the damages / defamation one.

and how many points did the mccanns fail to prove in court ?

[sadie]

I am also talking about all the evenings and which checks were a tally independently verified.

Also, did gerry mccann actually view his daughter in his 'check' ?

Also, I don't have to 'demean or destroy' the mccanns. They did that themselves, didn't they.

Not in the eyes of most rational people.  Just a few of you tout that, not most.

[Alice Purjorick]

Not from reading threads like these they won't.  I haven't followed the McCanns v Amaral trial because it has very little to do with Madeleine's disappearance and seems to hinge instead on the McCanns right to a good name v Amaral's right to freedom of speech.

Working out what has being going on in a lengthy process in Portuguese conducted according to Portuguese law, and throwing in things like Amaral's book, the documentary, and the Archiving Report is beyond most people, even ardent followers of the case.

So most guests are going to be bamboozled by discussion on here about how this case works, and whether the judge ever attempted to establish actual facts concerning the checking as opposed to quoting or summarising stated 'facts' from a book, video or Archiving Report.

The judge does not appear to have been interested in conducting a criminal investigation herself.

She wasn't interested in a criminal investigation.
Her court was only interested in whether the McCanns claim for damages had any legs. Considering it as a centipede what the judge ruled equated to 40 legs that walked and 60 that were lame.

[Angelo222]

That's a little bit different from your claim that the Archiving Report confirmed that the McCanns lied, and that this was doubly confirmed by the Damages Judge, a claim you've been repeating for the last two days.

The words matter little, a lie is a lie regardless of what words are used.  The Archive clearly stated, "that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children..."

Untruthful and neglectful in the one sentence?

[Angelo222]

I am also talking about all the evenings and which checks were a tally independently verified.

Also, did gerry mccann actually view his daughter in his 'check' ?

Also, I don't have to 'demean or destroy' the mccanns. They did that themselves, didn't they.

That was something which came to mind earlier, for all we know the checking after they left the apartment at 8.30pm could be a load of hogwash except for the one Wilkins witnessed just before 9.15pm.

[stephen25000]

That was something which came to mind earlier, for all we know the checking after they left the apartment at 8.30pm could be a load of hogwash except for the one Wilkins witnessed just before 9.15pm.

Precisely Angelo.

No verification at all, apart from 10 pm.

[Carana]

The only ruling which counts at the moment, bar the appeal , is the judge in the case. Your interpretation is irrelevant.

But that's concerning the damages / defamation trial.

The McCanns have never been charged, let alone gone to court for criminal charges against them.

It's chalk and cheese. Moon cheese.

[stephen25000]

But that's concerning the damages / defamation trial.

The McCanns have never been charged, let alone gone to court for criminal charges against them.

It's chalk and cheese. Moon cheese.

How many points did the mccanns fail to prove in court ? 

[G-Unit]

That was something which came to mind earlier, for all we know the checking after they left the apartment at 8.30pm could be a load of hogwash except for the one Wilkins witnessed just before 9.15pm.

Jeremy Wilkins said;

 I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15. I am aware of the importance of this hour and am also aware that the media announced our meeting time as 21h05. Even if this were correct, I have no idea from where such information originated. It is not possible to give you a more exact time.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

The words matter little, a lie is a lie regardless of what words are used.  The Archive clearly stated, "that the parents were not persistently worried about their children [and] that they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did, rather neglecting their duty to guard those same children..."

Untruthful and neglectful in the one sentence?

Sorry, can you please highlight the word "untruthful" in the sentence you quoted?