Twist in case of missing two-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr as parents named suspects

[misty]

IMO we can't assume that search and rescue dogs will always be able to follow a wandered child's scent - it depends greatly on the conditions.

For example tracker dogs did not manage to track the route 2-yr old Baby Rainn walked.
And tracker dogs did not manage to track the route 2-yr old Issac Leuenberger walked.

Deorr was wearing large wellingtons, pyjama bottoms which must have been tucked inside the  boots and also a long-sleeved jacket so virtually the only skin cells being deposited would have been from his head.
Isaac Leuenberger had covered a few kilometres before he was finally found.
The search for Rainn was hindered by waist-deep grass - I suppose it depends if the dogs were air-scenting or ground tracking trained.
The searches for Deorr have been so extensive over a long period of time, I don't understand why they haven't found him if he merely wandered. However, the apparent discovery of a jacket & the cars opens up a real can of worms. Someone close may have been trying to set Jessica & Vernal up.

[pegasus]

(snip) The searches for Deorr have been so extensive over a long period of time, I don't understand why they haven't found him if he merely wandered.... (snip)

Consider the situation at the moment the child was discovered missing
"... and I come back up from the creek ... I yelled over to grandpa ... 'Where's little Deorr?' ... he says 'I thought he came up to you'."  Source 9m11s http://youtu.be/mwM1oG3z358

1. At this point in time, the child is not at the the campsite IMO.
2. At this point in time, no vehicle has been driven yet therefore the child cannot have left the campsite in a vehicle IMO.
3. Therefore at this point in time, the child has already left the campsite, by foot IMO.

[misty]

Consider the situation at the moment the child was discovered missing
"... and I come back up from the creek ... I yelled over to grandpa ... 'Where's little Deorr?' ... he says 'I thought he came up to you'."  Source 9m11s http://youtu.be/mwM1oG3z358

1. At this point in time, the child is not at the the campsite IMO.
2. At this point in time, no vehicle has been driven yet therefore the child cannot have left the campsite in a vehicle IMO.
3. Therefore at this point in time, the child has already left the campsite, by foot IMO.

"came UP to you"? - where was "up" from the camping site?
 Isaac was DOWN at the creek but close enough to see & hear GGP pacing along the ridge.
IMO GPP was supposed to be watching him, that much I believe. The discovery of the camo jacket & the cars changes everything after that so I will reserve further judgement until those forensic results are known.
I don't subscribe to Klein's blunt trauma theory nor a vehicle accident. I still haven't located the part about the forensics on the truck, but it dates back to March or before & right now I'm losing interest in all the different threads & videos.

[pegasus]

"came UP to you"? - where was "up" from the camping site? (snip)

The fishing place the parents went to see was upstream from the campsite.

[pegasus]

Snip)...I don't subscribe to ... vehicle accident... (snip)

IMO there was no vehicle accident before the searches began, nor during the initial foot-only search, Misty.

[misty]

IMO there was no vehicle accident before the searches began, nor during the initial foot-only search, Misty.

There are some good photos here, Pegasus, if you haven't already seen them.. http://randomtopics.org/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=1611&start=20

I'm not sure in which direction IR, JMA & VK went initially to view a fishing spot but they parted company & went in opposite directions so one party went back past the campsite. It's still no clearer where young Deorr was at that stage.
In all likelihood, he went in that creek but I'm still going to wait for news on the jacket. Klein is attempting a big stitch-up imho.

[pegasus]

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y441/Uther3/Working%20Uploads%203/Arial1_zpsjcasy9f0.jpg
Blue line is the creek and it flows from top to bottom of map.
The place marked "parents" is upstream from the campsite, this is the meaning of "up" in statement

[pegasus]

IMO a plauible scenario, first part only, is that while unsupervised he wandered a fair distance and laid down in vegetation for a sleep (he usually took a nap at about 2).

[misty]

IMO a plauible scenario, first part only, is that while unsupervised he wandered a fair distance and laid down in vegetation for a sleep (he usually took a nap at about 2).

If he settled down for a sleep, wouldn't his scent have pooled in the one location & therefore more easily located by the search & rescue dogs?
IR's "missing hour" concerns me, His version of the timeline concerns me. The insinuations of alcohol & alleged drug use are a concern. Most of all, Klein's recent attitude bothers me a lot. (DK Jr Voices F/B)

[pegasus]

If he settled down for a sleep, wouldn't his scent have pooled in the one location & therefore more easily located by the search & rescue dogs?
IR's "missing hour" concerns me, His version of the timeline concerns me. The insinuations of alcohol & alleged drug use are a concern. Most of all, Klein's recent attitude bothers me a lot. (DK Jr Voices F/B)

I posted examples of cases where toddlers wandered then slept, and trcker dogs did not track them. It all depends on the wind rain etc conditions IMO. So IMO wandering then sleeping is a plausible theory for the pre-vehicular-search period.
BTW if you insist that the tracker dogs are always perfect (I don't think they are), that would indicate that he left the campsite in the Blazer.

[misty]

I posted examples of cases where toddlers wandered then slept, and trcker dogs did not track them. It all depends on the wind rain etc conditions IMO. So IMO wandering then sleeping is a plausible theory for the pre-vehicular-search period.
BTW if you insist that the tracker dogs are always perfect (I don't think they are), that would indicate that he left the campsite in the Blazer.

It's a plausible theory, granted, but I find it hard to believe that both S&R dogs, cadaver dogs & lots of people did not locate the lad alive or dead. I'm not saying the dogs are perfect - a child emits a different scent to an adult - & it depends how they were trained.
Deorr slept in the Blazer, didn't he, so his scent should have been inside it. I wonder what happened to Missy, the dog which accompanied the group on the trip?

[pegasus]

Deorr slept in the Blazer, didn't he, ... (snip)

No-one slept the night in the Blazer. The child and his parents slept in Ggpas's Suburban. Ggpa slept in his trailer. IR slept in a tent.

[pegasus]

@Misty I read on facebook etc about a supposed  interview in which VK supposedly says something about child putting arm inside truck tail-pipe. But I can't find the  interview anywhere, hoping you might have a link?

[misty]

The child and his parents slept in Ggpas's Suburban. Ggpa slept in his trailer. IR slept in a tent.No-one slept in the Blazer.

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/isaac-reinwand-nothing-hide-deorrs-disappearance/
*snipped*
“I set up camp and helped start a fire,” Reinwand says. “We set everything up and Bob slept in his camper. I slept in a tent. Jessica, (Vernal) DeOrr and the baby slept in the back of Bob’s blue Blazer.”

[pegasus]

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/07/isaac-reinwand-nothing-hide-deorrs-disappearance/
*snipped*
“I set up camp and helped start a fire,” Reinwand says. “We set everything up and Bob slept in his camper. I slept in a tent. Jessica, (Vernal) DeOrr and the baby slept in the back of Bob’s blue Blazer.”

IMO IR is possibly mistaken in calling ggpa's vehicle a Blazer. IMO it was a Suburban..

For example from a post by TBC (ggpa's daughter):
"My Dad's suburban and camper"