Why are some people so averse to parental involvement in this case

[ferryman]

Name one other fact please. If we have to do it one fact at a time I'm a very patient person.

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting.

(For a moment, indulging wild fantasy) suppose Kate had found Madeleine's body.

How would she communicate that news to Gerry, oblivious and unaware in the restaurant, without anyone else noticing?

What would the McCanns have done with "the body" (how I hate that phrase) in 3 weeks before hiring a car?

We know Eddie (accurately) alerted to spots of Gerry's blood in the Renault.

Why did he "fail" to detect any cadaver scent in the Renault?

Perhaps because there was none to detect (no failure at all, good dog, Eddie)?

[Alfred R Jones]

By your own admission therefore the mantra of 'the Mccanns are not suspects' is a waste of time as an argument. That could have changed the day after Redwood said it, so hopefully people will now stop using it as the 'answer to the world the universe and everything'. It's not evidence and never was.

Wrong.  The police have made one statement about the McCanns' status in this investigation and that is that they are not suspects, in other words they have been ruled out.  That is a fact.  It is a fact to say that the police have ruled the McCanns out, we heard it from the horse's mouth.  It is possible that things may change in the future (anything's possible!) but at the moment we know only that the McCanns are not suspects so we will continue to use that "mantra" until or unless other facts emerge that supersede it. 

[Alfred R Jones]

By your own admission therefore the mantra of 'the Mccanns are not suspects' is a waste of time as an argument. That could have changed the day after Redwood said it, so hopefully people will now stop using it as the 'answer to the world the universe and everything'. It's not evidence and never was.

By the way are you now backtracking on your "ruled out is a permanent status" pronouncement?

[Alfred R Jones]

I have applied my logic to it and posted it several times.

Have you?  Must have missed it amongst all the wisecracks and Humpty Dumpty references.

[Alice Purjorick]

Have you? Must have missed it amongst all the wisecracks and Humpty Dumpty references.

Yes on at least three occasions.
Oh yes I had forgotten you don't "do" literature and poetry do you?

[ferryman]

Sometimes, people not ruled out are neither charged (at a given moment).

Sometimes people are initially suspected, then not (ruled out)

The antithesis of ruled out (short of charged) might be under investigation.

The McCanns are not under investigation.

Therefore, the McCanns are ruled out; also their friends and Robert Murat ....

[pathfinder73]

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting.

(For a moment, indulging wild fantasy) suppose Kate had found Madeleine's body.

How would she communicate that news to Gerry, oblivious and unaware in the restaurant, without anyone else noticing?

What would the McCanns have done with "the body" (how I hate that phrase) in 3 weeks before hiring a car?

We know Eddie (accurately) alerted to spots of Gerry's blood in the Renault.

Why did he "fail" to detect any cadaver scent in the Renault?

Perhaps because there was none to detect (no failure at all, good dog, Eddie)?

People did leave the table and if the timeline is wrong everything is wrong. Who said he failed to detect cadaver scent? That's what he went in first to find.

[G-Unit]

Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant at the time of the Smith sighting.

(For a moment, indulging wild fantasy) suppose Kate had found Madeleine's body.

How would she communicate that news to Gerry, oblivious and unaware in the restaurant, without anyone else noticing?

What would the McCanns have done with "the body" (how I hate that phrase) in 3 weeks before hiring a car?

We know Eddie (accurately) alerted to spots of Gerry's blood in the Renault.

Why did he "fail" to detect any cadaver scent in the Renault?

Perhaps because there was none to detect (no failure at all, good dog, Eddie)?

It isn't a fact that Gerry was at the Tapas restaurant at 10pm. It's a fact that he and his friends (mostly) said he was. There is no proof that Smithman was carrying Madeleine, so he's immaterial anyway until (if ever) he's found. Please don't assume I subscribe to other people's theories, I don't. I certainly don't subscribe to any theories about the hire car.  Blood was alerted to and some inconclusive forensic results were obtained. 

[Mr Gray]

Name one other fact please. If we have to do it one fact at a time I'm a very patient person.

evidence to charge the mccanns of  a crime has not been found...fact

[ferryman]

It isn't a fact that Gerry was at the Tapas restaurant at 10pm. It's a fact that he and his friends (mostly) said he was. There is no proof that Smithman was carrying Madeleine, so he's immaterial anyway until (if ever) he's found. Please don't assume I subscribe to other people's theories, I don't. I certainly don't subscribe to any theories about the hire car.  Blood was alerted to and some inconclusive forensic results were obtained.

I'm delighted to burst your bubble, but it is (a fact).

Or, if it isn't (a fact) point to who commented on Gerry's absence from the restaurant at the time of Kate's alert (which coincided with the Smith sighting). 

And point to efforts to find him, including where he was when found and who found him.

If you can't (you can't!) there is only one obvious and logical solution, Gerry was in the Tapas Restaurant, at the time of Kate's alert and also the time of the Smith sighting.

[ferryman]

evidence to charge the mccanns of  a crime has not been found...fact

That's all that's needed.  You don't need 'proof' of innocence, except in so far as absence of evidence of guilt is, itself, 'proof'.

Forget whether they entered by the front door and left by the back (or vice versa) even assuming it is clear which is 'front' or 'back' (which I don't think it is).

Translation issues over prepositions doubtless plays a part ....

[stephen25000]

Without the abduction scenario, where are the mccanns ?

Up SC without a paddle.

[Mr Gray]

Without the abduction scenario, where are the mccanns ?

Up SC without a paddle.

the abduction thesis is alive and well

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes on at least three occasions.
Oh yes I had forgotten you don't "do" literature and poetry do you?

I don't like poetry but I'm very well read - is what you contribute to this forum classed as literature and poetry?  Oh my!

[stephen25000]

The theory of accidental death remains plausible.

Some should take gerry mccanns advice.