Why are some people so averse to parental involvement in this case

[Alfred R Jones]

Run away quickly with the world watching? Why are they running away? Maybe the press reports are right.

According to the sceptic community they ran away as soon as possible anyway and this confirmed they were guilty as hell, so makes no difference does it?

[Alfred R Jones]

Because the McCanns were leaving days later so they rushed it.

The actual reason is not because the McCanns were leaving but because of some imminent change in the law which meant you actually needed a shred of evidence before making someone an arguido, or something along those lines, Carana will help me out here..,

[pathfinder73]

According to the sceptic community they ran away as soon as possible anyway and this confirmed they were guilty as hell, so makes no difference does it?

Everyone would think they were guilty if they ran away before being made suspects. They run away and then the PJ name them as prime suspects. Now we know the reason why. They always said they weren't leaving Portugal without Madeleine. You have a chance of the public's support if you fight back guilty or not. Look at Darren Vickers. He was fighting for that poor boy more than anyone and he did it!

[G-Unit]

there are very few facts...but one is that SY declared the McCanns not suspects...thus ruling them out

They did. Just one fact to support your beliefs.

[Alfred R Jones]

Everyone would think they were guilty if they ran away before being made suspects. They run away and then the PJ name them as prime suspects. Now we know the reason why. They always said they weren't leaving Portugal without Madeleine. You have a chance of the public's support if you fight back guilty or not. Look at Darren Vickers. He was fighting for that poor boy more than anyone and he did it!

LOL.  Even I thought they were guilty in September 2007 whether they'd ran away before or after would have made no difference.

[pegasus]

Tell it to the PJ in whose final report the following is written (if you disagree with their version of reality it must be because you know better, eh?)
"According to that police force, the disappearance would have occurred at 22H40 (later on it was verified that the detection and the subsequent alarm of the same, in reality happened, between 22H00 and 22H10 ...."

22H40 is the time the police were first phoned Alfred (22H42 to be exact) so that's the time the police logged the call. The difference between 22H40 and 22H00 consists entirely of the 40 minutes during which none of the group's 8 working mobiles made any call to the mystery 3 digit number which is so secret that only about 95% of brit tourists who have ventured to the continent before know it, and BTW it has english speaking operators.

[pegasus]

xnip... (For a moment, indulging wild fantasy) suppose Kate had found Madeleine's body ...snip

I am certain she did not Ferryman, that's one point we can agree on!

[ShiningInLuz]

22H40 is the time the police were first phoned Alfred (22H42 to be exact) so that's the time the police logged the call. The difference between 22H40 and 22H00 consists entirely of the 40 minutes during which none of the group's 8 working mobiles made any call to the mystery 3 digit number which is so secret that only about 95% of brit tourists who have ventured to the continent before know it, and BTW it has english speaking operators.

The OC landline called the GNR at 22.41.  The OC had a mobile phone also.  If there is a record of calls made via that, I am unaware of it.  22.41 fits the events in various statements.

I have just indexed chapter 4  (events of 3 May) of Kate's book in some detail.  The results are quite odd in places.

p72 "Just after 10 past 10, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24 hour reception to get the staff to call the police."

p73 "At 10:35 the police had still not arrived,"  "Gerry asked Matt if he would go back down to the 24hr reception"
"John Hill … came up to the veranda behind our apartment." "Where are the police?' I yelled at him." "He tried to reassure me they'd be with us soon."

p74 "Gerry had been over to the Mini Club above the 24hr reception, thinking if Madeleine had been left somewhere, she might possibly make her way back to any place that was familiar to her," "Our friends were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there."  "Some sense of the necessity to approach the crisis calmly appeared to kick in among our friends" "as they tried to exert a modicum of control over the chaos." "David was saying, ´We need roadblocks set up.  The borders to Spain, Morocco and Algiers need to be alerted.”

I have yet to x-ref this to the statements.  From memory, Matthew says he went to reception once (not under Gerry's direction), but did not actually enforce a call to the police.  Gerry supposedly went past 24hr reception to the Mini Club, but did not bother to ask for or enforce a call to the police.

So, roadblocks and sealed borders seem to have been prioritised over actually phoning the police.

[ferryman]

Everyone would think they were guilty if they ran away before being made suspects. They run away and then the PJ name them as prime suspects. Now we know the reason why. They always said they weren't leaving Portugal without Madeleine. You have a chance of the public's support if you fight back guilty or not. Look at Darren Vickers. He was fighting for that poor boy more than anyone and he did it!

Ran away?

I think you have (just about) fathomed that the McCanns returned home after being made arguido/a.

They were themselves under investigation.

It requires no more than a modicum of intelligence to work out how being under investigation hampered and limited their ability to conduct their own search, particularly in the country (Portugal) where they were being investigated.

The vow not to return was made before events turned in the direction of suspicion directed against them.  I don't suppose it occurred to them (at that juncture) that suspicion would fall on them ...

[stephen25000]

Ran away?

I think you have (just about) fathomed that the McCanns returned home after being made arguido/a.

They were themselves under investigation.

It requires no more than a modicum of intelligence to work out how being under investigation hampered and limited their ability to conduct their own search, particularly in the country (Portugal) where they were being investigated.

The vow not to return was made before events turned in the direction of suspicion directed against them.  I don't suppose it occurred to them (at that juncture) that suspicion would fall on them ...

The mccanns weren't searching themselves ferryman.

They employed a string of people who didn't have a clue.

Remember.

As to suspicion, why do you forget it is standard practice to investigate the parents in such circumstances ?

and the mccanns being 'intelligent' should have known that. 

[Mr Gray]

The mccanns weren't searching themselves ferryman.

They employed a string of people who didn't have a clue.

Remember.

they were responsible for organising the search..a hopeless task unfortunately

[Alfred R Jones]

22H40 is the time the police were first phoned Alfred (22H42 to be exact) so that's the time the police logged the call. The difference between 22H40 and 22H00 consists entirely of the 40 minutes during which none of the group's 8 working mobiles made any call to the mystery 3 digit number which is so secret that only about 95% of brit tourists who have ventured to the continent before know it, and BTW it has english speaking operators.

And your point is?  Can we have a cite for 95% of all touriststo PT in 2007 knowing the number of the emergency services while you're at it, ta.

[Alfred R Jones]

The OC landline called the GNR at 22.41.  The OC had a mobile phone also.  If there is a record of calls made via that, I am unaware of it.  22.41 fits the events in various statements.

I have just indexed chapter 4  (events of 3 May) of Kate's book in some detail.  The results are quite odd in places.

p72 "Just after 10 past 10, Gerry asked Matt to run to the Ocean Club's 24 hour reception to get the staff to call the police."

p73 "At 10:35 the police had still not arrived,"  "Gerry asked Matt if he would go back down to the 24hr reception"
"John Hill … came up to the veranda behind our apartment." "Where are the police?' I yelled at him." "He tried to reassure me they'd be with us soon."

p74 "Gerry had been over to the Mini Club above the 24hr reception, thinking if Madeleine had been left somewhere, she might possibly make her way back to any place that was familiar to her," "Our friends were running to and from the Tapas area, pleading with people to ring the police again from there."  "Some sense of the necessity to approach the crisis calmly appeared to kick in among our friends" "as they tried to exert a modicum of control over the chaos." "David was saying, ´We need roadblocks set up.  The borders to Spain, Morocco and Algiers need to be alerted.”

I have yet to x-ref this to the statements.  From memory, Matthew says he went to reception once (not under Gerry's direction), but did not actually enforce a call to the police.  Gerry supposedly went past 24hr reception to the Mini Club, but did not bother to ask for or enforce a call to the police.

So, roadblocks and sealed borders seem to have been prioritised over actually phoning the police.

How do you figure that out if Matt went to reception at 10.10pm?   Did he explicitly state that Gerry did not tell him to go?

[G-Unit]

And your point is?  Can we have a cite for 95% of all touriststo PT in 2007 knowing the number of the emergency services while you're at it, ta.

At this moment the number is in the Ocean Club paperwork. They were able to borrow a laptop to e mail Sky News but not to ask anyone for the emergency services telephone number? Strange priorities.

[stephen25000]

At this moment the number is in the Ocean Club paperwork. They were able to borrow a laptop to e mail Sky News but not to ask anyone for the emergency services telephone number? Strange priorities.

Surely that is the kind of information you would go abroad with, in case of emergencies  &%+((£

and don't forget they were writing their time lines as well.