Sadie's theory.

[ShiningInLuz]

Could we possibly have a thread on Sadie's theory?

I am happy to cut and paste various bits and pieces that have appeared over various threads over the last few days that relate to this theory.

There was something along the lines that Sadie's theory was buried within some other thread.  I cannot find that post.

I think some of the material Sadie has researched may be important in the Madeleine case.

This is not to say I agree with everything Sadie believes.

But I happen to think she may have unearthed some information that is relevant.

May we have a thread on Sadie's theory?  Like I said, I am happy to do the donkey work.

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[Miss Taken Identity]

You could make a start on the revelation by Sadie, that Maddie is a Jewish name? and may be a reason for her abduction
or how about the Knights Templar implication, or perhaps you like the ole 'masons what dun it' ?  all  a great read... Good luck with that.

[Eleanor]

This will not turn into a Bash Sadie Thread.

[stephen25000]

This will not turn into a Bash Sadie Thread.

As Sadie placed the material on here, some of which has already been deleted.

She can hardly Expect a free run without being questioned.

Sadie also questions other theories, so we can't have one law for one person, and another for others.

[Miss Taken Identity]

This will not turn into a Bash Sadie Thread.

Well, don't confuse 'sadie bashing' with her theories getting a bashing as you all seem to do on here. When anyone challenges the abduction theory we are accused of bashing the parents and harming their twins. Bit rich really.

Yes, I for one will always challenge theories, regardless from hence they come. If they are so great and unbeatable I will concede and congratulate..... but, never gonna happen, as they are outragous anyway.

[ShiningInLuz]

This will not turn into a Bash Sadie Thread.

It is my intention and hope that this will NOT turn into a bash Sadie thread.

There are aspects of Sadie's theorem that I find valid and relevant.  There are aspects upon which I disagree.

Before the thread goes much further, I would like to offer Sadie the opportunity to black ball this thread.  If she thinks it is a bad idea from the start, I am happy that Sadie is given the opportunity to rule on whether it should live or die.  And I will abide by her decision.

If the thread continues, I hope the mods will make very sure it is not a bash Sadie thread.

I am interested in the nuggets of gold that Sadie has turned up.  These may well prove to be important.

IMO.

[Carana]

It is my intention and hope that this will NOT turn into a bash Sadie thread.

There are aspects of Sadie's theorem that I find valid and relevant.  There are aspects upon which I disagree.

Before the thread goes much further, I would like to offer Sadie the opportunity to black ball this thread.  If she thinks it is a bad idea from the start, I am happy that Sadie is given the opportunity to rule on whether it should live or die.  And I will abide by her decision.

If the thread continues, I hope the mods will make very sure it is not a bash Sadie thread.

I am interested in the nuggets of gold that Sadie has turned up.  These may well prove to be important.

IMO.

I'm not sure if it's on this thread or not.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.0

[ShiningInLuz]

I'm not sure if it's on this thread or not.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1327.0

Thank you for this.  This is excellent.

If this thread has most or all of the info, then I need to add stuff to that, and this thread can be allowed to die.

It's a big thread.  And I am trying to cook a chicken casserole.  So I need a bit of time to work out what is happening.

But many thanks again.

[slartibartfast]

If Sadie is willing to show the sources for her theories, it would at least allow the members to properly assess the validity of said theories.

[ShiningInLuz]

"To me the happenings below are potential evidence. ... as Carana puts it, a RED FLAG

Why were the sightings up to and including the Porto area not looked at?  Just ignored it seems, yet 4 abductions up there in the previous 14 years + several sightings of a little girl thought to be Madeleine in the region.  Why weren't they looked at?

Why was processos 807-808 about a sighting in Porto and VN de Gaia unecessarily  produced by Portimao PJ ? 
This mysteriously produceed new Processos negates the earlier proper processos 809 which was written at the time and en situ up in Porto with full PJ source trail.    It negates/changes the original Processos 809 in five ways IIRC.

Why did Portimao PJ decide to alter the original bonafide Processos 809 with stuff that appears unsound ?   At least one item on the new processos appears totally untrue and I went up there to check it out.  Walked that road of drop off on a boiling hot day just to check it out.  It was incorrect ... no three storey house of anything like that number shown in the processos.

In fact the number quoted was almost certainly of a house knocked down up a bling alleyway.  The land plus extra added to it made a large plot.  A new Catholic church was in the process of being built there ...... and on the same plot of land there is a church attached Nursery and a School.
The new Portimao Processos almost seemed to be written to put the searcher off the scent.  Five things ?wrong and over-ruling the processos written en situ by Porto Officers.

The drop off was just 2 miles crow flies to the first Porto area abduction of Jorge Sepulveda .... and my suspect spent time between the two.

SY found that interesting.   Official paperwork which ties abductions, sightings and my suspect between the two, together in a distance of only two miles.   Not in PdL but 300 miles North in the Porto area

809 is the processos that is totally bonafide.  The other one seems to be pointing in the wrong direction on IIRC five counts.

To me, the sightings up to, and including the Porto area are potential evidence, yet it was all ignored ... and even strangely amended.  I wonder why ?"

This is a post on here by Sadie on 15 Feb 2016.

I can chase down lots of the info in this post, should I so choose.

The bit that really interested me was 4 children had gone missing, seemingly in the Porto area, in 14 years leading up to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

One was Jorge Sepulveda.

Who are the other 3?

I guess I need to read through 30+ pages of the old thread.

[misty]

@Shining
See http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3542.305;wap2

[ShiningInLuz]

@Shining
See http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3542.305;wap2

Thank your for this.

As far as I can see, we have got this.

"John:
 I think it is well worth repeating this post originally posted by Sadie.

Pre pubescent children (under 15 y.o.) in mainland Portugal disappeared / possibly stranger abducted.

Note
BLUE represents the north mainly in and to the north of Porto
RED represents the south around PdL

The disappearances and possible abductions started seriously in the north of PT, in the area of Porto and north of there, spreading towards Guimares in an easterly direction.

1.  1991 Jorge Sepulveda, aged 14, disappeared from the Masserelos district of Porto.

2.  1994  Claudia Silva e Sousa, aged 7, disappeared from Oleiros, Vila Verde, Braga. Believed to have been taken by two men and forced to get inside a car.

3.  1996  Rene Hasee (German boy on holiday), aged 6, disappeared from Amoreiras beach, Aljezur, [Atlantic] Algarve .. (approx 18 miles PdL)

4.  1998  Rui Pedro Mendonca, aged 11 or 12, taken from Lousada, Porto. It is now believed that this child was taken abroad and is in the hands of a paedophile network.

5.  1999  Rui Periera, aged 13 or 14, from Vila Nova de Famalicao, Braga.  Believed seen in Switzerland with two Italian men.

On the internet I read on a forum that the son of an elite had been picked up by the PJ  in the north [and ?charged?]  but released with a warning.  That was whitewashed out after I mentioned it on forum.  A friend, Catkins, also saw another mention in a somewhat similar vein.  She can no longer find her reference either, IIRC.

The abductions ceased in 1999, after the warning,  for 5 years.   Except for in Madeira IIRC, but here I think the father sold his child.

They started up again in the Algarve near PdL. after the 5 Year gap.

6.  2004  Joana Cipriano, aged 7 or 8, disappeared from Figueira, Algarve (7 miles from PdL). Mother and uncle convicted of murder but body has never been found.

7.  Xmas day 2006,  Carolina Santos, aged 3, attempted abduction from near Silves (approx 18 miles from  PdL).  Parents came out of cafe to find Carolina being led away by a man.

8.  May 2007,  Madeleine McCann, aged nearly 4, disappeared from holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, while her parents dined nearby.

I have not included Titania/ Odete Freeman, aged about 3, who was passed around via three parts of the family and had three different names.  No-one knew what had happened to her, including which part of the family she was with when she vanished, according to reports.  Later they said she had died in an accident in Spain."

The pattern is very interesting.  A bunch of incidents up north.  Then a bunch of incidents down south.  The dates are interesting too.

Once again, many thanks.

[sadie]

Could we possibly have a thread on Sadie's theorem?

I am happy to cut and paste various bits and pieces that have appeared over various threads over the last few days that relate to this theorem.

There was something along the lines that Sadie's theorem was buried within some other thread.  I cannot find that post.

I think some of the material Sadie has researched may be important in the Madeleine case.

This is not to say I agree with everything Sadie believes.

But I happen to think she may have unearthed some information that is relevant.

May we have a thread on Sadie's theorem?  Like I said, I am happy to do the donkey work.

Thank you SIL.

Sadies theory which uised to have its own thread is all messed up between threads now.  No cohesion and some posts missing I think.  It is no longer in a seperate thread as Pathfinders theory is.   Basically it is about how the abduction could have been easily achieved with organisation and a particular viewing point.

Also my thoughts on why Tannerman (as we now sensibly call him) took so long to get from 5A to the Smiths Sighting.

About an hour ago, I wrote a fairly long precis of it, but it has just vanished.  I thought that I had posted it, but it has gone.

Am too tired now and i know that I am rather tied up tomorrow.  When I get a chance I will try and write another precis


There are several other theories, some based on things that i saw up in Porto and also a Processos written by Portimao PJ that negates the original processos 809, written at the time and in situ at Porto.  I believe processos 809.  The one written at Portimao is full of discrepancies.

There are lots of things that I  have noticed that I feel that I cant post and sometimes I cannot add weight to my theories because of this.



Anyway as soon as i can, I will try and rewrite the precis of sadies theory. I will miss bits out tho' cos i am too tired and it would take me too long to rewrite the whole thing.

Cheers SIL

[sadie]

"To me the happenings below are potential evidence. ... as Carana puts it, a RED FLAG

Why were the sightings up to and including the Porto area not looked at?  Just ignored it seems, yet 4 abductions up there in the previous 14 years + several sightings of a little girl thought to be Madeleine in the region.  Why weren't they looked at?

Why was processos 807-808 about a sighting in Porto and VN de Gaia unecessarily  produced by Portimao PJ ? 
This mysteriously produceed new Processos negates the earlier proper processos 809 which was written at the time and en situ up in Porto with full PJ source trail.    It negates/changes the original Processos 809 in five ways IIRC.

Why did Portimao PJ decide to alter the original bonafide Processos 809 with stuff that appears unsound ?   At least one item on the new processos appears totally untrue and I went up there to check it out.  Walked that road of drop off on a boiling hot day just to check it out.  It was incorrect ... no three storey house of anything like that number shown in the processos.

In fact the number quoted was almost certainly of a house knocked down up a bling alleyway.  The land plus extra added to it made a large plot.  A new Catholic church was in the process of being built there ...... and on the same plot of land there is a church attached Nursery and a School.
The new Portimao Processos almost seemed to be written to put the searcher off the scent.  Five things ?wrong and over-ruling the processos written en situ by Porto Officers.

The drop off was just 2 miles crow flies to the first Porto area abduction of Jorge Sepulveda .... and my suspect spent time between the two.

SY found that interesting.   Official paperwork which ties abductions, sightings and my suspect between the two, together in a distance of only two miles.   Not in PdL but 300 miles North in the Porto area

809 is the processos that is totally bonafide.  The other one seems to be pointing in the wrong direction on IIRC five counts.

To me, the sightings up to, and including the Porto area are potential evidence, yet it was all ignored ... and even strangely amended.  I wonder why ?"

This is a post on here by Sadie on 15 Feb 2016.

I can chase down lots of the info in this post, should I so choose.

The bit that really interested me was 4 children had gone missing, seemingly in the Porto area, in 14 years leading up to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

One was Jorge Sepulveda.

Who are the other 3?

I guess I need to read through 30+ pages of the old thread.

The four are:

1)  Jorge Sepulveda 1991
2)  Claudia Alexandra Silva e sousa 1994
3)  Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendoca 1998
4)  Rui Manuel Correia Periera 1999

... and there was another little boy taken in the Algarve duruing the same period.  My suspect has links to both the Porto area and to the Algarve.

He was
Rene Hasee 1996 Amoreiras Beach Aljezur on the Atlantic coast of the Algarve and just 18 or so miles crow flies from PdL

All these children were pre pubescent but older than Madeleine

However, Claudia was a very similar age  to Joana Cipriano

And Rene, a very cute blond boy was just 6 years old.  IMO with zero other abductions in mainland PT, he is the link between North and South abductions.


I read on a forum that a man, the son of an elite, had been picked up and questioned.  He wasn't charged but let off and warned 


The abductions stopped for five years then, until Joana C was taken in 2004 in the Algarve. then a foiled attempt on pretty little Carolina Santos on Christmas day 2006, followed just 4 months later by Madeleine

Now I really am going to bed.  I am tired out

Nigh Night all

[ShiningInLuz]

The four are:

1)  Jorge Sepulveda 1991
2)  Claudia Alexandra Silva e sousa 1994
3)  Rui Pedro Teixeira Mendoca 1998
4)  Rui Manuel Correia Periera 1999

... and there was another little boy taken in the Algarve duruing the same period.  My suspect has links to both the Porto area and to the Algarve.

He was
Rene Hasee 1996 Amoreiras Beach Aljezur on the Atlantic coast of the Algarve and just 18 or so miles crow flies from PdL

All these children were pre pubescent but older than Madeleine

However, Claudia was a very similar age  to Joana Cipriano

And Rene, a very cute blond boy was just 6 years old.  IMO with zero other abductions in mainland PT, he is the link between North and South abductions.


I read on a forum that a man, the son of an elite, had been picked up and questioned.  He wasn't charged but let off and warned 


The abductions stopped for five years then, until Joana C was taken in 2004 in the Algarve. then a foiled attempt on pretty little Carolina Santos on Christmas day 2006, followed just 4 months later by Madeleine

Now I really am going to bed.  I am tired out

Nigh Night all

Do you think that that has, in any way, a connection to Casa Pia "The scandal broke in September 2002"?  I am simply asking because I am genuinely interested.