Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[mercury]

Eight other rersponsible people witnessed him there and almost certainly they would all be prepared to confirm.

Most people would think that proof enough !!!

No they didnt, at least they never said so...and all we have to go on is statements, not what you or others might think

[sadie]

If the photo had been taken from below the height of the railing, it would have appeared to point downwards from front to back. As it appears to point upwards from front to back the photo must have been taken from above railing height. Assuming they are not in front of a trompe l'oeil.

You are right Slarti.  I am wrong on that one.  I was looking at the figures too much and not noticing the way the side railings ran.  Seems the camera was at tummy button height, or just above.

This means that my comments several posts back must be modified in some ways, but not most ways.

The basics are correct but the height differences between Kate and the lady at the front will not be so noticeable.  It hardly affects the height differences between Gerry and Jez (he is a tall guy!) because they were vitually each standing more or less the same distance back from the camera.

I still maintain that Gerry is about 2"-2.65 " shorter than Jez ... NOT 4" as someone said.

[sadie]

No they didnt, at least they never said so...and all we have to go on is statements, not what you or others might think

They were 8 responsible people.  It is my understanding that Doctors can be struck off if they contravene the Law.

There was no need at the point that the statements were being made to confirm or disagree with the fact that Gerry was there at 10pm.   No public disbelief had been expressed at that stage, so it would never occur to them to make the statement "Gerry was here at that time",   Although some of them might have said "Gerry wasn't there", if he wasn't, as that would have been against the norm.

All the propaganda that was put about really made life impossible for The Mccanns ... and on top of everything else !!.  So many people believed the rubbish.

So sad.

Although I am fairly sure that in one of the statements it said that they all got up when Kate came back distressed and shouting ... and that Gerry led the Tapas group as they ran back to 5A

[mercury]

They were 8 responsible people.  It is my understanding that Doctors can be struck off if they contravene the Law.

There was no need at the point that the statements were being made to confirm or disagree with the fact that Gerry was there at 10pm.   No public disbelief had been expressed at that stage, so it would never occur to them to make the statement "Gerry was here at that time",   Although some of them might have said "Gerry wasn't there", if he wasn't, as that would have been against the norm.

All the propaganda that was put about really made life impossible for The Mccanns ... and on top of everything else !!.  So many people believed the rubbish.

So sad.

Although I am fairly sure that in one of the statements it said that they all got up when Kate came back distressed and shouting ... and that Gerry led the Tapas group as they ran back to 5A

It was not an issue until september  2007 when the Smiths said they were 60-80 per cent sure it was GM they saw so wouldnt have been in questions asked/answered by the PJ

Ps re your earlier post that you bet Amaral pressured Smith to say he was 60-80 per cent sure it was GM, I hope you didnt bet alot of money as you wuld have lost...Amaral was not involved one iota..... Smith rang the IRISH police, who later relayed ths statement to the PJ

[Alfred R Jones]

He had eight people who would swear he was in the tapas bar or at the least wouldn't contradict his claim and a friend who was willing to put him and the abductor in the same street at the same time. Certainly seems to have worked as the doubt surrounding the sighting testifies to.

How could he know in advance that he could rely on any one of them to cover for him for 9+ years?  Come on Faithlilly, be honest, you're not stupid - what you're expecting us to accept happened is utterly ludicrous!

[faithlilly]

How could he know in advance that he could rely on any one of them to cover for him for 9+ years?  Come on Faithlilly, be honest, you're not stupid - what you're expecting us to accept happened is utterly ludicrous!

The truth is he couldn't but that chance was better than the alternative.

[Alfred R Jones]

The truth is he couldn't but that chance was better than the alternative.

Why do you cling so doggedly to such an idiotic theory?  Surely there are others you can come up with that don't rely on such a deeply improbable series of events?

[G-Unit]

Eight other rersponsible people witnessed him there and almost certainly they would all be prepared to confirm.

Most people would think that proof enough !!!

Five of the group said the alarm was raised at 10pm (six if you include the man himself). It's a fact that they collaborated on times also. I have six people who didn't collaborate and who suggest it wasn't 10pm.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

Five of the group said the alarm was raised at 10pm (six if you include the man himself). It's a fact that they collaborated on times also. I have six people who didn't collaborate and who suggest it wasn't 10pm.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JERONIMO-SALCEDAS.htm

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

But you don't think the man seen by the Smiths was carrying Madeleine so...?

[faithlilly]

Why do you cling so doggedly to such an idiotic theory?  Surely there are others you can come up with that don't rely on such a deeply improbable series of events?

I'm sure it's not hard to get friends to say almost anything when scared that they will be charged with neglecting their children. They don't necessarily need to be aware of what exactly has happened.

So what else is impossible ?

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm sure it's not hard to get friends to say almost anything when scared that they will be charged with neglecting their children. They don't necessarily need to be aware of what exactly has happened.

So what else is impossible ?

Read my sig line,  it's not impossible, just deeply improbable additionally so when you add in the need for a cover-up involving additional people.  deep down I'm sure you realise this.

[G-Unit]

Why do you cling so doggedly to such an idiotic theory?  Surely there are others you can come up with that don't rely on such a deeply improbable series of events?

You think that's improbable? Some find the idea of a successful abduction being achieved in the circumstances described as close to impossible.

[faithlilly]

Read my sig line,  it's not impossible, just deeply improbable additionally so when you add in the need for a cover-up involving additional people.  deep down I'm sure you realise this.

What additional people would you need for a cover-up ?

A young child being abducted from her bed while on holiday is deeply improbable. In fact so deeply improbable that supporters have yet to give this forum one example of this happening before, yet still you believe it. So what's the difference ?

[mercury]

Gerry could have said hes popping to the loo....who times it?

none of the t7 had to be " in on it"

[Alfred R Jones]

You think that's improbable? Some find the idea of a successful abduction being achieved in the circumstances described as close to impossible.

but we've established that there were a total of 15 minutes over two time slots during which an abduction could have taken place, and the Met have verified that there WAS an opportunity in the timeline for an abduction, so far from impossible.