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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #705 on: March 10, 2016, 11:31:07 AM »
from memory, I would have an educated guess at over 6' 1" ... so 6'2" fits the bill ... cos it is just an educated guess.

Shall we say, 6' 1 - 6'2 ?  imo

The man on the right and the woman on the left are tall.

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #706 on: March 10, 2016, 12:10:20 PM »
Maybe sometimes wears high heels  8(0(*

It would explain a great deal. *&*%£

Offline sadie

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #707 on: March 10, 2016, 12:51:17 PM »
The man on the right and the woman on the left are tall.


The man at the back is very tall. 
At least two of the women are wearing heels.
The woman on the left is in the fioreground, so she will look bigger

Also the photograph is taken from an unusually low position (knee/thigh level), looking up.  This means that people in the foreground will appear taller than people in the background...especially so if the photographer was close rather than far away.

Anyway, I have told you what I noticed when I met Gerry.  I was NOT there to JUDGE his height, but I was very surprised what an impressive TALL, well built man he was.  I think he was most likely 6'1 - 6'2" tall. 

Take it or leave it.   

Have you stood right by Gerry?

Offline jassi

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #708 on: March 10, 2016, 12:55:01 PM »
The man on the right and the woman on the left are tall.



The man in yellow jacket certainly is tall and appears to be about 4 inches taller than Gerry.
The woman in red shoes is wearing highish heels so is probably no taller than Kate.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #709 on: March 10, 2016, 01:10:17 PM »
The man in yellow jacket certainly is tall and appears to be about 4 inches taller than Gerry.
The woman in red shoes is wearing highish heels so is probably no taller than Kate.

The centreline of the top rail of the balustrade will be 1000mm above walkway level.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #710 on: March 10, 2016, 02:45:48 PM »
Jeremy Wilkins described Gerry McCann as between 5'10" and 6'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #711 on: March 10, 2016, 02:52:13 PM »
Jeremy Wilkins described Gerry McCann as between 5'10" and 6'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

So, take note Sadie.

Gerry Mccann is several inches shorter. 8)--))

Offline Eleanor

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #712 on: March 10, 2016, 03:01:45 PM »

Anymore snide remarks and I will be deleting.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #713 on: March 10, 2016, 03:17:38 PM »


I don't know how tall Sadie is, but I'm short so most people look tall to me. I think Jez was tall himself so was probably better able to judge. I have noticed that Kate and Fiona are fairly close in height and their husbands are about the same amount taller compared to them. David Payne is around 5'10".
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Offline Brietta

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #714 on: March 10, 2016, 03:42:48 PM »
he didn't see his face...would you call 60% a high degree of certainty.....he isn't sure,...that is not a high degree of certainty

Going from being unable either to describe the man or pick him out from photographs to a few months later when usually memory has faded even more to being able to identify a particular individual is something indeed.

For a start when first encountered it was after darkness on an ill lit street.

The misidentification took place in daylight in very good lighting conditions.

Almost identical circumstances to the McCluskey misidentification.

The common factor was in my opinion the fact that both of Madeleine's parents had been made arguidos in her disappearance and both men would have been exposed to the propaganda being put about against them in the Portuguese press and picked up by the world's press.

I think they were simply brainwashed and when they witnessed a man carrying a child down steps it was sufficient to trigger a false memory turning the man both already believed to have been carrying Madeleine into her father.

There is provenance in Mr McCluskey's case that he actually saw a man and child - reported his suspicions to the police - who investigated - and who without Mr McCluskey's knowledge was exonerated - subsequently saw Madeleine's father carrying a twin - and recalled the event he had witnessed but this time transposing and misidentifying the innocent man he had seen as someone else.

The man seen and subsequently misidentified by Mr Smith has not been similarly eliminated from the inquiry ... but I would assume that Martin Smith will have changed his mind about his identity, given that he hasn't taken time out to rectify the Sunday Times definitive statement that he has done just that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #715 on: March 10, 2016, 03:43:51 PM »
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/17/article-2249350-04FD7FE6000005DC-653_634x690.jpg
The man in yellow jacket certainly is tall and appears to be about 4 inches taller than Gerry.
The woman in red shoes is wearing highish heels so is probably no taller than Kate.

the woman in the foreground is decidedly shorter than Kate

1)  She is wearing high heels and Kate rarely does,.  This is probably because she is consciious of her height.  My sister was very tall like Kate (5'10 ish) but she bucked the trend of tall women whom tend to wear flatties.  She wore high heels and Damn it.  Mind you, she trained on the catwalk to be a model and models were all tall in those days.

2)  She is closest to the camera and perspective comes into the picture here.  She will look bigger and taller because of that

3)  It looks as though they are in a confined space, on a balcony? The camera is held very low down.  Roughly in line with the thighs or maybe upper knee?  A photograph taken from a close position and in an upwards direction will make the person/s nearest the camera look biggeer than they should do. 

You are being taken in by an optical illusion Jassi.   The woman in the forground is much smaller than Kate.


Now Gerry and the very tall man.
The floor boarding tends to give another optical illusionn as to how far back Gerry and the man are standing.  Had they run parallel to the frame of the picture then we could have used them as guidance, but they run away at an angle.  Therefore we cannot.

The part that takes the weight and therefore the part that is likely to be most directly below the head is the front of the heel.  The front of the foot merely mainly helps with balance imo.    In order to measure how far back Gerry and the man are relative to each other, may i suggest that you use the frame of your computer screen as a horizontal guide.   

Gently roll the picture down until the fronts of the heels of the two men are sitting on or near the frame of your screen;then you can judge who is closer to the camera.   Same with height, gently roll the image up until the taller mans head just touches the upper frame of your screen.  With both the foot positions and the head positions clearly defined relative to each other, now you are in a position to judge.


Well I made it that they are each almost the same distance from the camera.  Gerry is possibly just a wee bit further back, but it is so slight that i think we can ignore that.  I make the taller man 2-2.5 inches taller than Gerry.

What do you make it now that you will presumably be using the correct method?

Offline sadie

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #716 on: March 10, 2016, 03:54:06 PM »
The centreline of the top rail of the balustrade will be 1000mm above walkway level.
Anyone have dividers and a calculator ?  8(0(*
As we all know, inn the UK there has to be a minimum height for railings, so that people cannot accidentally topple over or accidentally be pushed over.  I have forgotten the minimum height and do we know this photo was taken in the UK?  And when.

The same with railings, the uprights have to be within certain boundaries a prescribed distance apart these days.   so that children can neither fall thru nor can they get their heads stuck between them.   The railings to the balcony on 5A look too far apart tio me.  Maybe they were pre any rulings or maybe PT has no such regulations?

Sorry Alice, but without actually measuring them you cannot blandly state that they are a metre high.

Offline sadie

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #717 on: March 10, 2016, 04:05:17 PM »

I don't know how tall Sadie is, but I'm short so most people look tall to me. I think Jez was tall himself so was probably better able to judge. I have noticed that Kate and Fiona are fairly close in height and their husbands are about the same amount taller compared to them. David Payne is around 5'10".

Was that Jez?

When I was younger, I was a tall for my generation at 5'8". 

However I have shrunk considerably, especially in the past two years as my spine has collapsed.  But at the time in question I would have been well over 5'-6".


I think that I am probably better at judging height, shape and size than most people.


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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #718 on: March 10, 2016, 04:15:53 PM »
As we all know, inn the UK there has to be a minimum height for railings, so that people cannot accidentally topple over or accidentally be pushed over.  I have forgotten the minimum height and do we know this photo was taken in the UK?  And when.

The same with railings, the uprights have to be within certain boundaries a prescribed distance apart these days.   so that children can neither fall thru nor can they get their heads stuck between them.   The railings to the balcony on 5A look too far apart tio me.  Maybe they were pre any rulings or maybe PT has no such regulations?

Sorry Alice, but without actually measuring them you cannot blandly state that they are a metre high.

So you are suggesting the balustrades are not in accordance with regulations which have been kicking around for about 30 years ?
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Offline sadie

Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #719 on: March 10, 2016, 04:26:39 PM »
So you are suggesting the balustrades are not in accordance with regulations which have been kicking around for about 30 years ?



I am not 'suggesting' anything, just commenting.   

They may have been taller than a metre high; we dont know, do we? 
Where was the photo taken ?
How old are the railings ... over 30 Y.O.?
How far in front of the railings are they standing, for this photograph taken from a low level?


Not enough definite information there to make anything other than a guess.