Author Topic: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?  (Read 292076 times)

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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #180 on: February 23, 2016, 04:08:13 PM »
Aside from xenophobic cheap shots about the Irish, there is no other reason that could be offered why Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he believed was Gerry ....

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #181 on: February 23, 2016, 04:15:15 PM »
Aside from xenophobic cheap shots about the Irish, there is no other reason that could be offered why Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he believed was Gerry ....

IMO it was an excellent way to get the McCann PI's to stop pestering the Smith family.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #182 on: February 23, 2016, 04:25:17 PM »
IMO it was an excellent way to get the McCann PI's to stop pestering the Smith family.

Why not that he changed his mind about the man being Gerry?

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #183 on: February 23, 2016, 04:29:06 PM »
Aside from xenophobic cheap shots about the Irish, there is no other reason that could be offered why Martin Smith would have produced an efit of a man he believed was Gerry ....

He refused to produce one when approached by Brian Kennedy, but he agreed when approached by Oakley's investigators. I don't know what Kennedy hoped to achieve but I have some idea what Oakley were up to.

They kept the e-fits in or with a report they produced. The report was hypercritical of the McCanns and their friends and it didn't think the Tanner sighting was credible. Can you see the direction they were taking? A clue; it wasn't an attempt to demonstrate the innocence and honesty of the T9.

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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #184 on: February 23, 2016, 04:40:31 PM »
He refused to produce one when approached by Brian Kennedy, but he agreed when approached by Oakley's investigators. I don't know what Kennedy hoped to achieve but I have some idea what Oakley were up to.

They kept the e-fits in or with a report they produced. The report was hypercritical of the McCanns and their friends and it didn't think the Tanner sighting was credible. Can you see the direction they were taking? A clue; it wasn't an attempt to demonstrate the innocence and honesty of the T9.

Forget the crap about Oakley's quibbles with the (estimable) Jane Tanner; a red-herring.

For the moment, forget, also, the thoughts of the PJ.  At least, at that juncture, efits was foreign territory for them.  They never used them in their own investigations and didn't really understand their purpose or the rationale of their use.

Think about the English police and English rationale for the use and purpose of efits.

Efits are used to highlight (most commonly) likely suspects in crime and to aid identification of criminals.

It is conceivable that the Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abduction and Madeleine's abductor.

Therefore, that efit could only, ever, be released into the public domain in the context of a live and on-going police enquiry. 

Scotland Yard, themselves, kept hold of the efits for a considerable period (after taking custody of them) before releasing them into the public domain during the Crimewatch programme.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquires.

They long have.

Nothing new about the Madeleine enquiry (at least in that respect).

Not rocket-science ....

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #185 on: February 23, 2016, 04:49:09 PM »
He refused to produce one when approached by Brian Kennedy, but he agreed when approached by Oakley's investigators. I don't know what Kennedy hoped to achieve but I have some idea what Oakley were up to.

They kept the e-fits in or with a report they produced. The report was hypercritical of the McCanns and their friends and it didn't think the Tanner sighting was credible. Can you see the direction they were taking? A clue; it wasn't an attempt to demonstrate the innocence and honesty of the T9.

There was a live & ongoing PJ inquiry at the time the Smiths were approached by Kennedy. They could be accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice in light of their statements.

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #186 on: February 23, 2016, 04:57:03 PM »
Forget the crap about Oakley's quibbles with the (estimable) Jane Tanner; a red-herring.

For the moment, forget, also, the thoughts of the PJ.  At least, at that juncture, efits was foreign territory for them.  They never used them in their own investigations and didn't really understand their purpose or the rationale of their use.

Think about the English police and English rationale for the use and purpose of efits.

Efits are used to highlight (most commonly) likely suspects in crime and to aid identification of criminals.

It is conceivable that the Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abduction and Madeleine's abductor.

Therefore, that efit could only, ever, be released into the public domain in the context of a live and on-going police enquiry. 

Scotland Yard, themselves, kept hold of the efits for a considerable period (after taking custody of them) before releasing them into the public domain during the Crimewatch programme.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquires.

They long have.

Nothing new about the Madeleine enquiry (at least in that respect).

Not rocket-science ....

And why Scotland Yard approached the abduction as if it had happened in UK.

An abduction is still an abduction no matter where it happens.  The details are still the same.

ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2016, 05:02:54 PM »
There was a live & ongoing PJ inquiry at the time the Smiths were approached by Kennedy. They could be accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice in light of their statements.

There was.

Although at the time, Mr Smith (and his wife, who produced the second efit) were both inclined to the view (though not convinced) that they had seen Gerry ....

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #188 on: February 23, 2016, 05:36:51 PM »
Forget the crap about Oakley's quibbles with the (estimable) Jane Tanner; a red-herring.

For the moment, forget, also, the thoughts of the PJ.  At least, at that juncture, efits was foreign territory for them.  They never used them in their own investigations and didn't really understand their purpose or the rationale of their use.

Think about the English police and English rationale for the use and purpose of efits.

Efits are used to highlight (most commonly) likely suspects in crime and to aid identification of criminals.

It is conceivable that the Smiths might have seen Madeleine's abduction and Madeleine's abductor.

Therefore, that efit could only, ever, be released into the public domain in the context of a live and on-going police enquiry. 

Scotland Yard, themselves, kept hold of the efits for a considerable period (after taking custody of them) before releasing them into the public domain during the Crimewatch programme.

That's how English police conduct criminal enquires.

They long have.

Nothing new about the Madeleine enquiry (at least in that respect).

Not rocket-science ....

Oakley's investigators have claimed they produced the e-fits and have not been contradicted.

The Oakley investigator's report is not crap or a red herring, it's linked to the e-fits. The investigator's said so and no-one has denied that either.

As the UK police didn't produce the e-fits I don't see the relevance of bringing them into the debate?
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ferryman

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #189 on: February 23, 2016, 06:17:57 PM »
Oakley's investigators have claimed they produced the e-fits and have not been contradicted.

The Oakley investigator's report is not crap or a red herring, it's linked to the e-fits. The investigator's said so and no-one has denied that either.

As the UK police didn't produce the e-fits I don't see the relevance of bringing them into the debate?

Why obfuscate the salient fact with red-herrings?

ETA

And strawman 'arguments'.

Oakley produced the efits.

Not in dispute.
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #190 on: February 23, 2016, 06:24:15 PM »
Then I can only assume that you're very bad at it because i didn't even notice.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #191 on: February 23, 2016, 06:26:21 PM »
Why obfuscate the salient fact with red-herrings?

I don't know what your salient fact is or your red herrings. The fact you think you have (that Martin Smith changed his mind) has not been demonstrated. The e-fits and the report cannot be separated because they are two parts of a whole, not isolated events.   
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #192 on: February 23, 2016, 06:26:50 PM »
No, there is no evidence that he changed his mind. It's immaterial anyway because they still look like Gerry McCann.
Would you say your hearts were breaking for the McCanns, whilst simultaneously suspecting them of all sorts of heinous deeds?

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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #193 on: February 23, 2016, 09:31:54 PM »
Would you say your hearts were breaking for the McCanns, whilst simultaneously suspecting them of all sorts of heinous deeds?

G Unit's heart is breaking while suspecting them of heniuos crimes? wow, really, do share. Or are you implying that is the conflicting status of Mr Smith? in that case a wee cite would be great.
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Re: Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?
« Reply #194 on: February 23, 2016, 09:40:25 PM »
G Unit's heart is breaking while suspecting them of heniuos crimes? wow, really, do share. Or are you implying that is the conflicting status of Mr Smith? in that case a wee cite would be great.

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