Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[pathfinder73]

I really don't know enough about how mobiles work to comment G,

However, what sort of a plan was it that involved having incriminatory 'evidence' on their phones  - which was apparently still there after they'd raised the alarm when as far as they knew the police could arrive within minutes.   

Surely it would be a major part of their cunning plan to make sure there was no incriminatory 'evidence' on their phones in the first place?   

Police arrive within minutes. You need to call them for that to happen. It took Fiona to get the ball moving. It's not hard to work out why when everything connects.

[Benice]

Police arrive within minutes. You need to call them for that to happen. It took Fiona to get the ball moving. It's not hard to work out why when everything connects.

Once the alarm had been raised any number of people unconnected to the McCanns could have immediately phoned the police.   Restaurant staff, other holidaymakers etc.   The McCanns would have no way of knowing whether that would happen or not.  Neither would they know whether the police were an hour away or just round the corner when they got the call.

Once again PF you use hindsight which the McCanns did not have at that time.

IMO

[pathfinder73]

They found her missing and knew she was abducted so they call them and they were the only ones out of the group to see an open window. Go figure.

[pegasus]

IMO the only calls of any interest that night are
23:14 G calls K (8 seconds)
23:17 G calls K (31 seconds)

[G-Unit]

You child has died accidentally one evening and you and your wife decide to cover up the death.  What incriminating phone messages do you suppose they sent each other that evening, and when?

They deleted the whole week's call records. As to the evening in question, who knows? I've never been able to work out whether the PJ got the complete records from the phone companies or whether they identified all the numbers. With regard to Kate McCann she left numbers she called or who called her before 28th April, but deleted all calls except two from 28th April to 23.17 on 3rd May.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea 'wrong number'), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been 'whoosh-clunked' from memory.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

[Alfred R Jones]

They deleted the whole week's call records. As to the evening in question, who knows? I've never been able to work out whether the PJ got the complete records from the phone companies or whether they identified all the numbers. With regard to Kate McCann she left numbers she called or who called her before 28th April, but deleted all calls except two from 28th April to 23.17 on 3rd May.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea 'wrong number'), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been 'whoosh-clunked' from memory.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

There can be no logical reason I can think of for deleting phone records in the event of your child's unforeseen and accidental death, unless it has been done in order to free up space on the phone or in the belief that it would be necessary to do so, anticipating a hig volume of incoming messages.  Or unless the McCanns had been subjecting Madeleine to all sorts of grim activities prior to her death, the sort of activities  which contributed to her death, and which they felt compelled to message other people about - do you think that's very likely?

[Alfred R Jones]

IMO the only calls of any interest that night are
23:14 G calls K (8 seconds)
23:17 G calls K (31 seconds)

Why would those be particularly interesting to you? 

[Mr Gray]

There can be no logical reason I can think of for deleting phone records in the event of your child's unforeseen and accidental death, unless it has been done in order to free up space on the phone or in the belief that it would be necessary to do so, anticipating a hig volume of incoming messages.  Or unless the McCanns had been subjecting Madeleine to all sorts of grim activities prior to her death, the sort of activities  which contributed to her death, and which they felt compelled to message other people about - do you think that's very likely?

if you were sitting around waiting trying to kill time...deleting phone records is exactly the type of pointless things people might do

[Alfred R Jones]

Did the police ask the McCanns about these deleted phone calls in either their arguido interviews or their rogatory interviews?

[pathfinder73]

There can be no logical reason I can think of for deleting phone records in the event of your child's unforeseen and accidental death, unless it has been done in order to free up space on the phone or in the belief that it would be necessary to do so, anticipating a hig volume of incoming messages.  Or unless the McCanns had been subjecting Madeleine to all sorts of grim activities prior to her death, the sort of activities  which contributed to her death, and which they felt compelled to message other people about - do you think that's very likely?

Logs don't take up any memory to be effective. It's only a list of calls. Funny how the older logs before Portugal weren't cleared. It suggests that they knew what they were clearing.

[Alfred R Jones]

Logs don't take up any memory to be effective. It's only a list of calls. Funny how the older logs before Portugal weren't cleared. It suggests that they knew what they were clearing.

Perhaps they only cleared stuff that they knew they wouldn't need to refer to again?  And perhaps you can give one good example of the kind of incriminating message you believe they would have needed to delete from days prior to Madeleine's disappearance, that wouldhave any bearing on her disappearance.

[ferryman]

Didn't Lord Justice Tugendhat make it very clear, in his ruling in the matter of Tony Bennett's breaches to the High Court, that mobile telephone traffic in PdL on May 3rd had been meticulously analysed during the course of the shelved enquiry and found to be blameless?

In the meantime (lest there be doubt) Martin Smith has changed his mind.

[Carana]

The dogs only examined the clothes that were present 3 months after the fact.

“At the time we had not established exactly which clothes Gerry was wearing on the night of the disappearance nor which clothes were handed in to be washed on 5th May”, says Gonçalo Amaral

“Last Saturday (05/05/2007) I received a bag of clothes brought in by Mark Warner staff, and was told expressly that these belonged to Madeleine’s family – there was adult clothing (male and female) and children’s clothing… “, states one of the laundry workers.

M's immediate family or anyone hosted by OC with a global accounting reference to be charged to the "McCann account"? OC / MW did appear to have provided free accommodation for those who had to stay on or who who had come out to support the family.

[G-Unit]

if you were sitting around waiting trying to kill time...deleting phone records is exactly the type of pointless things people might do

Are you suggesting they got so bored waiting for the police to arrive that they sat around deleting their call records for something to do?

[Admin]

I know it's Saturday night guys but please stop the squabbling.

ps further disruption will attract sanctions.

Admin