Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[G-Unit]

Repeated truths do start to get boring for some, who are determined to deny/mock/pillory/deride (take your pick) the truth.

All makes the truth no less true.

Martin Smith has changed his opinion.

He no longer believes he saw Gerry.

You have repeated your own opinion ad infinitum and have convinced...............no-one.

[ferryman]

If they were truths, demonstrably, in an official way, no ne would have a problem, but you have posted a summation of why you personally thnk x y z, its not the same

Objective fact:

Martin Smith would not have produced an efit of a man he thought was Gerry.

Objective fact

Martin Smith did refuse to produce an efit of a man he thought (at the time) was Gerry (he said so in his statement to the Irish police).

Objective fact.

Martin Smith (later) changed his mind (about producing the efit).

Factually based opinion: Martin Smith changed his mind (about producing an efit) because he no longer believes he saw Gerry.

[mercury]

No ferryman, all subjective opinion..Im out of this thread

[pegasus]

IMO this is a classic case of arguing about a completely irrelevant event.
Here is one fact which shows that the Smith sighting is irrelevant:

The child which all nine irish witnesses saw being carried was wearing a long-sleeved top.

[ferryman]

IMO this is a classic case of arguing about a completely irrelevant event.
Here is one fact which shows that the Smith sighting is irrelevant:

The child which all nine irish witnesses saw being carried was wearing a long-sleeved top.

I'm quite certain Scotland yard will have read the files, and haven't dismissed the Smith sightings so readily.

I think the mistake is to suppose that what we read on line is word-for-word the same (as the files held by the McCanns and the police).

[blonk]

IMO this is a classic case of arguing about a completely irrelevant event.
Here is one fact which shows that the Smith sighting is irrelevant:

The child which all nine irish witnesses saw being carried was wearing a long-sleeved top.

Makes you wonder, then, why one of the Met's top crack detectives, Andy Redwood, made the Smith sighting 'the centre of our focus'?

Whilst on this issue I have to agree with ferryman that it really is obvious that Martin Smith is batting FOR the McCanns and not against them, and has been doing since January 2008, over eight years ago, I can't accept the Smith sighting as entirely irrelevant.

Highly relevant is the fact that in so many respects (I counted 17) the Smiths' descriptions exactly matched the ones given by Nuno Lourenco in his statement to the PJ of Wojcheich Krokowski allegedly trying to kidnap his daughter...which in turn matched the descriptions given hours earlier by Jane Tanner of 'Tannerman'.

Unusual, cloth clothes, beige/creamy coloured trousers, classic shoes, similar height, age, build etc. and also all using that silly phrase they used which really gives the game away that they were all working to a common script: "Didn't look like a tourist".

As if people can tell what tourists and non-tourists look like, walking about in the dark!

All these three sightings are a complete nonsense. I'm with that prominent former prosecutor and now child abuse expert Wendy Murphy, who said to a startled Fox News interviewer two years ago, on Scotland Yard's claims that Smithman might be the abductor, not Tannerman:

"I'M NOT BUYING IT'.

       

[pathfinder73]

How wrong you are. Smithman has given himself away. SY surely know it but need more.

[pegasus]

Makes you wonder, then, why one of the Met's top crack detectives, Andy Redwood, made the Smith sighting 'the centre of our focus'?

Whilst on this issue I have to agree with ferryman that it really is obvious that Martin Smith is batting FOR the McCanns and not against them, and has been doing since January 2008, over eight years ago, I can't accept the Smith sighting as entirely irrelevant.

Highly relevant is the fact that in so many respects (I counted 17) the Smiths' descriptions exactly matched the ones given by Nuno Lourenco in his patently obvious fabrication of Wojcheich Krokowski allegedly trying to kidnap his daughter...which in turn matched the descriptions given hours earlier by Jane Tanner of 'Tannerman'.

Unusual, cloth clothes, beige/creamy coloured trousers, classic shoes, similar height, age, build etc. and also all using that silly phrase they used which really gives the game away that they were all working to a common script: "Didn't look like a tourist".

As if people can tell what tourists and non-tourists look like, walking about in the dark!

All these three sightings are a complete nonsense. I'm with that prominent former prosecutor and now child abuse expert Wendy Murphy, who said to a startled Fox News interviewer two years ago, on Scotland Yard's claims that Smithman might be the abductor, not Tannerman:

"I'M NOT BUYING IT'.

     

Yes just because something is currently SY's "centre of our focus" doesn't mean it's anything to do with the solution Blonk. Before the "revelation" SY's centre of focus was the JT sighting, and how much relevance did that have? None.  IMO the Smith sighting will possibly turn out to have exactly the same non-relevance.

[pegasus]

(snip)..All these three sightings are a complete nonsense ... (snip)   

It would be a ridiculous method (for abductor or concealor) to transport all the way from apartment for 400 metres without any attempt to conceal what they were carrying.

[pathfinder73]

It would be a ridiculous method (for abductor or concealor) to transport all the way from apartment for 400 metres without any attempt to conceal what they were carrying.

Agreed better to be concealed away from the crime scene and because that happened much earlier than the actual sighting there's your answer.

[misty]

Makes you wonder, then, why one of the Met's top crack detectives, Andy Redwood, made the Smith sighting 'the centre of our focus'?

Whilst on this issue I have to agree with ferryman that it really is obvious that Martin Smith is batting FOR the McCanns and not against them, and has been doing since January 2008, over eight years ago, I can't accept the Smith sighting as entirely irrelevant.

Highly relevant is the fact that in so many respects (I counted 17) the Smiths' descriptions exactly matched the ones given by Nuno Lourenco in his statement to the PJ of Wojcheich Krokowski allegedly trying to kidnap his daughter...which in turn matched the descriptions given hours earlier by Jane Tanner of 'Tannerman'.

Unusual, cloth clothes, beige/creamy coloured trousers, classic shoes, similar height, age, build etc. and also all using that silly phrase they used which really gives the game away that they were all working to a common script: "Didn't look like a tourist".

As if people can tell what tourists and non-tourists look like, walking about in the dark!

All these three sightings are a complete nonsense. I'm with that prominent former prosecutor and now child abuse expert Wendy Murphy, who said to a startled Fox News interviewer two years ago, on Scotland Yard's claims that Smithman might be the abductor, not Tannerman:

"I'M NOT BUYING IT'.

     

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm
*snipped*

In so far as the suspect is concerned, he describes him as masculine, Caucasian with Latin colouring, curly dark brown hair that ran to his neck and in a pony tail. He was between 35/40 years of age, of medium complexion, and around 170 to 175 cm in height. He did not have any particular marks or signals and did not wear rings or other jewellery. He wore a cream coloured beach hat. He also wore dark glasses.

He wore cloth trousers and a coat/jacket of the same material which was cream coloured. Almost the same colour to the hat he had worn previously. His shoes were dark brown: the type that need to be shined or polished.

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I see precious little in that statement which is identical to the Tannerman or Smithman sighting - certainly no mention of Krokowski not appearing like a tourist. Curly dark hair tied in a pony-tail? Or had he paid a visit to the Kutting Room during his holiday?
With reference to MS being on board with Team McCann - would you still hold that opinion if your "mistaken" identification was actually true?

[pegasus]

Agreed better to be concealed away from the crime scene and because that happened much earlier than the actual sighting there's your answer.

There are hundreds of cases involving a bag or suitcase Pathfinder, but oddly none of them then switch to open carrying.

[pegasus]

Misty a mantion of sagresman not looking like a tourist is truth of lie chapter 3

[misty]

Misty a mantion of sagresman not looking like a tourist is truth of lie chapter 3

Please direct me to the quote in the files saying same.
Sagresman was a tourist, though, wasn't he?

[pegasus]

Yes a tourist. Blonk's point I think is that whether someone looks like a tourist or not, is a vague subjective thing.