Has Martin Smith Changed his Opinion ?

[G-Unit]

IMO this is a classic case of arguing about a completely irrelevant event.
Here is one fact which shows that the Smith sighting is irrelevant:

The child which all nine irish witnesses saw being carried was wearing a long-sleeved top.

Who said Madeleine was wearing a short-sleeved top? The last people to see her.

[pegasus]

Who said Madeleine was wearing a short-sleeved top? The last people to see her.

Yes the 2 sources are father and mother and IMO they are both telling the truth that she was wearing a very short-sleeved top. What are you proposing instead GUnit- are you claiming a long-sleeved top at bedtime?

[Alice Purjorick]

it seems the forum is becoming something of a laughing stock....good news is there is little on here I would wish to post about

Some sites have been laughing at it for years.
It's a question of whether one feels there is any weight to it and should one be concerned. No and no in my book.
Das ist gut, c'est fantastique, it's nice to be a lunatic
Hit me with your rhythm stick

[pathfinder73]

There are hundreds of cases involving a bag or suitcase Pathfinder, but oddly none of them then switch to open carrying.

Yeah hundreds of cases concealed and quickly disposed of and found. Bodies have been moved again in many cases to further away not to be found. Circumstances dictate the means.

[sadie]

I'm quite certain Scotland yard will have read the files, and haven't dismissed the Smith sightings so readily.

I think the mistake is to suppose that what we read on line is word-for-word the same (as the files held by the McCanns and the police).

Perchance they are thinking, as I am thinking, that Tannerman stopped off en route, quite possibly at the Staff Quarters just a few metres up the road from the forward Smith, (was it Peter?).  Madeleine was very cold and a cardy, or cotton long sleeved top, was found to keep their precious, money making little one warm.

To remind you, A scream was heard coming from the Staff quarters according to the 3 A's



I originally thought that Tannerman might have stopped off there because he had been abandoned by his get-away driver and had nowhere to go, but there is another possibility.

Maybe he was to go there to send out a signal to sea thta the mission, part 1 was completed ....and await a return signal from a boat at sea that a "pick-up" boat was coming in. ... and he was to leave to "connect" with that boat?   

This may be completely incorrect but the staff quarters are high and I would have thought from the roof there would have been good visability of the ocean.   

This is just an alternative idea to my original one, both are possibilities.


And once again, to remind you, it seems that
A scream was heard coming from the Staff Quarters

[pathfinder73]

You don't bring an abducted child to staff quarters where she could be seen. A ridiculous notion.

[sadie]

You don't bring an abducted child to staff quarters where she could be seen. A ridiculous notion.

You think so?

Better than letting the very money making abducted child get bitterly cold ?  (and start howling?)

Better than risk hanging around outside with nowhere to go ?

Better than not be able to signal the pick up boat and receive a signal back for the go-ahead?

Better than not being able to top up her sleeping draft.  Is that the correct name?




BTW, PFinder are you still touting a signature line that Smithman looked at his watch at 10.03 ?

Please tell me how you could possibly know this.   Were you there?

[Eleanor]

Perchance they are thinking, as I am thinking, that Tannerman stopped off en route, quite possibly at the Staff Quarters just a few metres up the road from the forward Smith, (was it Peter?).  Madeleine was very cold and a cardy, or cotton long sleeved top, was found to keep their precious, money making little one warm.

To remind you, A scream was heard coming from the Staff quarters according to the 3 A's



I originally thought that Tannerman might have stopped off there because he had been abandoned by his get-away driver and had nowhere to go, but there is another possibility.

Maybe he was to go there to send out a signal to sea thta the mission, part 1 was completed ....and await a return signal from a boat at sea that a "pick-up" boat was coming in. ... and he was to leave to "connect" with that boat?   

This may be completely incorrect but the staff quarters are high and I would have thought from the roof there would have been good visability of the ocean.   

This is just an alternative idea to my original one, both are possibilities.


And once again, to remind you, it seems that
A scream was heard coming from the Staff Quarters

I agree about Tannerman and the boat, Sadie.  Not so sure about the Staff Quarters.  There are other places he could have hid while waiting for a signal

[sadie]

I agree about Tannerman and the boat, Sadie.  Not so sure about the Staff Quarters.  There are other places he could have hid while waiting for a signal

Of all people, you Eleanor with your naval background, would kinow about signals from ships, boats at sea.

The question is,
What buildings presumable north of the Smith sightings, would be tall enough to have ocean views?


The only two that I am aware of are Estrela da luz and the Staff Quarters.  However if Estrela were used, then it was in good visibility of the staff quarters and other apartments.  The signals might have been seen and comments made about flashing lights on the Estrela buikldings.

Conversely, it appears to me, that the Staff Quarters were a good deal higher than adjoining properties and pretty close to the nearest Buildings.  Someone standing a wee bit back could signal in total safety, unseen by anyone other than boats at sea .... or so it seems to me


But altho I have been past the staff quarters, I have never been inside to test out my idea.


Further more it could be that there is a fire escape set of steps, externally, right to the roof top ... but I am only speculating

[Eleanor]

Of all people, you Eleanor with your naval background, would kinow about signals from ships, boats at sea.

The question is,
What buildings presumable north of the Smith sightings, would be tall enough to have ocean views?


The only two that I am aware of are Estrela da luz and the Staff Quarters.  However if Estrela were used, then it was in good visibility of the staff quarters and other apartments.  The signals might have been seen and comments made about flashing lights on the Estrela buikldings.

Conversely, it appears to me, that the Staff Quarters were a good deal higher than adjoining properties and pretty close to the nearest Buildings.  Someone standing a wee bit back could signal in total safety, unseen by anyone other than boats at sea .... or so it seems to me


But altho I have been past the staff quarters, I have never been inside to test out my idea.


Further more it could be that there is a fire escape set of steps, externally, right to the roof top ... but I am only speculating

I think it is more likely to have been done by Cell Phone, Sadie, hence the interest in phone pings.  And people were very ignorant of those in 2007, still are to some extent.

The recipient of the child would not have known if the abduction was successful until after it was accomplished, so there would have been a need for some communication.  No one would have wanted to hang around on a beach while they were waiting for a pick up, hence the need to hide somewhere.

I still think Tannerman was Smithman.  And taken off by boat the most likely.

[sadie]

I think it is more likely to have been done by Cell Phone, Sadie, hence the interest in phone pings.  And people were very ignorant of those in 2007, still are to some extent.

The recipient of the child would not have known if the abduction was successful until after it was accomplished, so there would have been a need for some communication.  No one would have wanted to hang around on a beach while they were waiting for a pick up, hence the need to hide somewhere.

I still think Tannerman was Smithman.  And taken off by boat the most likely.

Mainly agreed Ellie.   
But if it had been by cell phone, would we not have heard about it?  Weren't all the cell phone records investigated?  I haven't followed the cell phone records, but I thought that the Police had triangulated and identified the sources of calls along with times.  Perhaps I am wrong?

Taken from that little rocky beach, just after the tide had changed out to a larger vessel and whisked up to Sines imo.    arriving at dawn ready to be loaded into a white van and up to Porto/ Vila Nova de Gaia (VNG).  Stopping at the Carlos Moreira Snack Bar on the main trunk route North just about 10, or so, miles east of Lisboa. .. and just a few miles short of the bridge crossing the River Tagus 

[Eleanor]

Mainly agreed Ellie.   
But if it had been by cell phone, would we not have heard about it?  Weren't all the cell phone records investigated?  I haven't followed the cell phone records, but I thought that the Police had triangulated and identified the sources of calls along with times.  Perhaps I am wrong?

Taken from that little rocky beach, just after the tide had changed out to a larger vessel and whisked up to Sines imo.    arriving at dawn ready to be loaded into a white van and up to Porto/ Vila Nova de Gaia (VNG).  Stopping at the Carlos Moreira Snack Bar on the main trunk route North just about 10, or so, miles east of Lisboa. .. and just a few miles short of the bridge crossing the River Tagus

We wouldn't necessarily have heard about where the phone pings actually were, Sadie.  At least not of the three men who are currently arguidos.  Only that they were active in talking to each other by cell phone somewhere in Praia da Luz.
The PJ and Scotland Yard aren't talking about that.

The rest of your theory is more than plausible.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think it is more likely to have been done by Cell Phone, Sadie, hence the interest in phone pings.  And people were very ignorant of those in 2007, still are to some extent.

The recipient of the child would not have known if the abduction was successful until after it was accomplished, so there would have been a need for some communication.  No one would have wanted to hang around on a beach while they were waiting for a pick up, hence the need to hide somewhere.

I still think Tannerman was Smithman.  And taken off by boat the most likely.

Really?
I rather think the criminal fraternity had it well sorted in the late 1990s.

 

[Eleanor]

Really?
I rather think the criminal fraternity had it well sorted in the late 1990s.

Did they have Cell Phones in those days?

But then I'm not talking about the same criminal fraternity that you are

PS.  You don't half know some very strange people.

[G-Unit]

Yes the 2 sources are father and mother and IMO they are both telling the truth that she was wearing a very short-sleeved top. What are you proposing instead GUnit- are you claiming a long-sleeved top at bedtime?

I don't know if they are telling the truth or not. What makes you so sure they are?