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[G-Unit]

Not sure what your point about one of the men or Fiona Payne "escaping" is - are you suggesting they may be "in on it?"
Your other two quotes require times attached.  Was this around 9pm?  Does it cover the time Gerry was talking to Jez Wilkins?  Does it cover the time period when the Smiths were allegedly clocking Gerry?

You said no parent left the vicinity. Two Tapas employees said a man left the restaurant for 30 minutes. It could have been the child's father. If so he had lots of time to do whatever he wished. Russell had Gerry gone for around 20-25 minutes, which fits in;

He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. Jane could have come back first because she found Gerry chatting with a person who is also a guest in the same place, named Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the first course.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

The other statement is from an analysis of who was where after the alarm was raised (by a UK police officer), His conclusion was that Kate, Dianne, Rachael and Jane's whereabouts were accounted for. Any of the others could have disappeared for a period of time had they so wished.

[Alfred R Jones]

You said no parent left the vicinity. Two Tapas employees said a man left the restaurant for 30 minutes. It could have been the child's father. If so he had lots of time to do whatever he wished. Russell had Gerry gone for around 20-25 minutes, which fits in;

He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. Jane could have come back first because she found Gerry chatting with a person who is also a guest in the same place, named Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the first course.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

The other statement is from an analysis of who was where after the alarm was raised (by a UK police officer), His conclusion was that Kate, Dianne, Rachael and Jane's whereabouts were accounted for. Any of the others could have disappeared for a period of time had they so wished.

So, to be clearer could you specify what time this 30 minute "window of opportunity" occurred?

[faithlilly]

So are you saying that their current alibi has convinced the people who needed convincing?

I'm saying it was better than not having an alibi.

[Alfred R Jones]

I'm saying it was better than not having an alibi.

Which you're claiming they didn't have anyway.

[faithlilly]

Which you're claiming they didn't have anyway.

Not if they claimed she was abducted during the night.

A little tip Alfie. If you're going to post, make sure those posts have a point. It makes it so much more interesting for the reader

[pathfinder73]

8.40pm, in and out of the apartment like Flynn (three minutes max), into a car, at 30 mph off into the horizon.  Will that do?

Do you know how many of the group passed that apartment from 8:35 to 9 ? Jane said she arrived at 8:40. Matt and Rachel 8:45. Russell 8:50 so not having that at all.

[Alfred R Jones]

Not if they claimed she was abducted during the night.

A little tip Alfie. If you're going to post, make sure those posts have a point. It makes it so much more interesting for the reader

Can you stop being rude?  You obviously just don't understand the point, so let me try again.

Sceptics have claimed that the McCanns wouldn't have staged an abduction during the night because they would have had no alibis.  The same sceptics however claim that Gerry took time out from the group to move the corpse of his child, an event which must have taken at least 10 minutes if not more, time for which HE HAS NO ALIBI.

Therefore, either way NO ALIBI - but the first option at least gives them the opportunity not to have to hurry, and to set the stage far more convincingly. 

I trust you can see the point I am making now.  I can draw pictures if it helps.

[Alfred R Jones]

Do you know how many of the group passed that apartment from 8:35 to 9 ? Jane said she arrived at 8:40. Matt and Rachel 8:45. Russell 8:50 so not having that at all.

So there's not a 3 minute window of opportunity at any point between 8.30pm and 10pm?  Really??

[Carana]

I think that is self evident but if you feel you are more competent to comment than the links I have posted so be it.
The interesting parts for me were:
87% get away with it which means either they are good at it or the cops are crap at solving burglaries.
Most make themselves unobtrusive, melt into the background and don't draw attention to themselves when casing a job.
They rarely enter kids rooms.
Blow out "burglary gone wrong" on balance.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QMF9bzaVVY8C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=%22sex+offender+%22burglar%22&source=bl&ots=Tg8xN5_KbL&sig=N_Gs7pUrVm7iLIqjVzwL2nGGOZM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzuIDd4ZDLAhWBYw8KHdlHD2sQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=%22sex%20offender%20%22burglar%22&f=false

[faithlilly]

Can you stop being rude?  You obviously just don't understand the point, so let me try again.

Sceptics have claimed that the McCanns wouldn't have staged an abduction during the night because they would have had no alibis.  The same sceptics however claim that Gerry took time out from the group to move the corpse of his child, an event which must have taken at least 10 minutes if not more, time for which HE HAS NO ALIBI.

Therefore, either way NO ALIBI - but the first option at least gives them the opportunity not to have to hurry, and to set the stage far more convincingly. 

I trust you can see the point I am making now.  I can draw pictures if it helps.

And you ask me to stop being rude !

It is much easier to manufacture an alibi in a busy restaurant with all the coming and goings than when it is only you and your children at home.

[pathfinder73]

So there's not a 3 minute window of opportunity at any point between 8.30pm and 10pm?  Really??

Matt did a listening check so it's not before 9. Gerry arrives and the bedroom door has moved and Maddy is still asleep in the same position. Gerry's statement leads to somebody else in the apartment. Jane comes and sees a man carrying a child away close to the crime scene. What do you think the police would initially think? It leads to him removing Madeleine unless somebody is not telling the truth.

[faithlilly]

You said no parent left the vicinity. Two Tapas employees said a man left the restaurant for 30 minutes. It could have been the child's father. If so he had lots of time to do whatever he wished. Russell had Gerry gone for around 20-25 minutes, which fits in;

He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. Jane could have come back first because she found Gerry chatting with a person who is also a guest in the same place, named Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the first course.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN.htm

The other statement is from an analysis of who was where after the alarm was raised (by a UK police officer), His conclusion was that Kate, Dianne, Rachael and Jane's whereabouts were accounted for. Any of the others could have disappeared for a period of time had they so wished.

I've always found this statement especially interesting :

-------  STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes. After having returned, a woman whom she believed to be his wife, also left the table, there having passed a few moments, all the guests left the table in question, except one elderly lady, who told her [Svetlana's] colleagues that that child had disappeared.
- During the time that she was working yesterday (between 14:30 and 23:00) she did not see any individual with blonde "rastas".

--

[Alice Purjorick]

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QMF9bzaVVY8C&pg=PA159&lpg=PA159&dq=%22sex+offender+%22burglar%22&source=bl&ots=Tg8xN5_KbL&sig=N_Gs7pUrVm7iLIqjVzwL2nGGOZM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzuIDd4ZDLAhWBYw8KHdlHD2sQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=%22sex%20offender%20%22burglar%22&f=false

Interesting. It covers burglars who opportunistically rape vulnerable women while the burglars are plying their trade but make no reference to the incidence of that sort of crime if at all. It also says they should be searched for as burglars not rapists. There is certainly no reference, to paraphrase mercury, to "going in to nick a plasma TV and coming out with a three year old child instead".

[Alfred R Jones]

And you ask me to stop being rude !

It is much easier to manufacture an alibi in a busy restaurant with all the coming and goings than when it is only you and your children at home.

Is it? Manufacturing an alibi requires cooperation from others - are you suggesting he had it?

[Alfred R Jones]

Matt did a listening check so it's not before 9. Gerry arrives and the bedroom door has moved and Maddy is still asleep in the same position. Gerry's statement leads to somebody else in the apartment. Jane comes and sees a man carrying a child away close to the crime scene. What do you think the police would initially think? It leads to him removing Madeleine unless somebody is not telling the truth.

Your posts are as clear as mud.  Answer yes or no: was there a 3-5 minute window of opportunity when there was no member of the Tapas Group in the immediate vicinity of Apt 5 a at any point between 8.30pm and 10pm?