Why didn't the dogs alert to any of Gerry's clothing?

[stephen25000]

You don't have to be a dog to smell a rat.

However, yku do need to know what you're talking about, and I'm afraid. Ferryman's googling does not make him an expert.

[ferryman]

However, yku do need to know what you're talking about, and I'm afraid. Ferryman's googling does not make him an expert.

I googled as far as theMcCannpjfiles.com

I didn't need to do anything else.

[pegasus]

And clothing Eddie could find no hint of a trace of scent on in the villa was packed into bog-standard cardboard boxes (with zero regard to principles of cross-contamination) for a second inspection at the gym.

And lo!

Clothing devoid of scent (discernible to Eddie) in the villa suddenly yields a scent (he can detect) in the gym.

All most odd ....

In villa video Eddie sniffs a pile of clothes then barks.

[pegasus]

I noted the size of the tee-shirt (as did several other people) ....

But Ferryman why not read the label? The label that says "height 98cm"

[misty]

In villa video Eddie sniffs a pile of clothes then barks.

Are you implying that the handler misread an alert?

[pegasus]

Are you implying that the handler misread an alert?

I watch where the dog's nose is just before the bark Misty and make my own deduction.
There are 2 alerts on video at that property IMO and they are -
1. nose pointing at seat of dining chair but table blocks our view of what is on seat of dining chair.
2. nose pointing at one particular pile of clothes on sideboard.

[misty]

I watch where the dog's nose is just before the bark Misty and make my own deduction.
There are 2 alerts on video at that property IMO and they are -
1. nose pointing at seat of dining chair but table blocks our view of what is on seat of dining chair.
2. nose pointing at one particular pile of clothes on sideboard.

I agree. Problem is, Pegasus - who put the clothes in piles ready to be boxed up?

[pegasus]

I agree. Problem is, Pegasus - who put the clothes in piles ready to be boxed up?

Panorama - earlier same day many clothes etc are drying on racks on patio just outside dining area.
I assume the residents then brought them in through patio door to dining area to iron and fold.

[misty]

Panorama - earlier same day many clothes etc are drying on racks on patio just outside dining area.
I assume the residents then brought them in through patio door to dining area to iron and fold.

Rather like 5a & the Scenic, the PJ/Grime/Harrison were the last people who had control of the clothes the dogs alerted to. The PJ arrived at about 5pm, the McCann family left the premises.
Interestingly, RM was present at Casa Liliana during the canine examinations.


3rd August....The police returned our clothes to us later that day, thrown into big black bin bags. ....creased to hell.
(Madeleine page 207)
Did the PJ seriously not keep any of the articles alerted to by Eddie as potential evidence?

[pegasus]

Rather like 5a & the Scenic, the PJ/Grime/Harrison were the last people who had control of the clothes the dogs alerted to. The PJ arrived at about 5pm, the McCann family left the premises.
Interestingly, RM was present at Casa Liliana during the canine examinations.


3rd August....The police returned our clothes to us later that day, thrown into big black bin bags. ....creased to hell.
(Madeleine page 207)
Did the PJ seriously not keep any of the articles alerted to by Eddie as potential evidence?

Maybe it's allowed for one person or their representative to stay?

[Benice]

Eddie goes in first looking for evidence of death not evidence of a shaving cut. His job is to find cadaver scent. Keela the blood dog is only used if he alerts.

Are you seriously claiming that Eddie would not have alerted to blood from a shaving cut - if a trace of it had been left in one of the apartments he was searching ?   Surely not.

[Brietta]

Maybe it's allowed for one person or their representative to stay?

Might it have been dependent on Robert Murat's arguido status which gave him rights the McCanns the McCann's did not have at the time?
Also it should be considered that the intervention of the British dogs was viewed by them as a step forward towards discovering what had happened to Madeleine.

I think the endless discussion of 'the dogs' is a redundant one for the simple reason everything relating to their inspections is open to challenge from the comparison of inspection times allowed in the apartments to the delivery of the hire car to the garage.
Unlike the fiasco of Cipriano, I doubt very much if it would ever have been allowed to be heard in court and had it been it would have been shredded under cross examination.

[ferryman]

Eddie goes in first looking for evidence of death not evidence of a shaving cut. His job is to find cadaver scent. Keela the blood dog is only used if he alerts.

There is always a possibility of contamination of odours by transferral. EVRD does not make a distinction; he responds with a certain behaviour for which he was trained when he recognizes an odour. He does not identify the reasons for the presence of the odour nor does he identify suspects. Forensic confirmation and specialized investigation methods will determine the reasons and the suspicions. In order to undoubtedly affirm there must be a confirmation of the alert signals made by the dog.

(Martin Grime, rogatory interview).

If I understand Grime right, Eddie doesn't 'look for evidence' of anything; he merely seeks out a scent he has been trained to react to, and barks (his trained reaction to that scent) if he detects it.

Or did (RIP) .....

[jassi]

(Martin Grime, rogatory interview).

If I understand Grime right, Eddie doesn't 'look for evidence' of anything; he merely seeks out a scent he has been trained to react to, and barks (his trained reaction to that scent) if he detects it.

Or did (RIP) .....

Quite right, he smells for evidence of death.  The forensic boys and girls then try to find physical evidence to support that finding.

[pathfinder73]

Are you seriously claiming that Eddie would not have alerted to blood from a shaving cut - if a trace of it had been left in one of the apartments he was searching ?   Surely not.

Eddie doesn't sniff every inch of the apartment searching for traces of blood. He would be in there for days. He goes in first to find cadaver scent.