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Offline G-Unit

i would rather listen to SY...the involvement of the parents makes no logical sense......they have been ruled out as suspects...which leaves abduction as the most likely scenario

You just carry on listening to SY as they slowly but surely disappear from a case they must have been mad to get involved in. Perhaps they suffer from an over-inflated opinion of their expertise? I just hope they don't try to blame others for their own failings. If they accepted a restrictive remit they made a huge blunder and have only themselves to blame.
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Offline Eleanor

You just carry on listening to SY as they slowly but surely disappear from a case they must have been mad to get involved in. Perhaps they suffer from an over-inflated opinion of their expertise? I just hope they don't try to blame others for their own failings. If they accepted a restrictive remit they made a huge blunder and have only themselves to blame.

Like Amaral, you mean?

As for the rest of it, I am briefly gobsmacked.

Offline Mr Gray

You just carry on listening to SY as they slowly but surely disappear from a case they must have been mad to get involved in. Perhaps they suffer from an over-inflated opinion of their expertise? I just hope they don't try to blame others for their own failings. If they accepted a restrictive remit they made a huge blunder and have only themselves to blame.

you do realise your post is purely your opinion...I listen to SY because if you look at the evidence everything they say makes sense...including being blocked by the portuguese...absolute sense
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Offline slartibartfast

You just carry on listening to SY as they slowly but surely disappear from a case they must have been mad to get involved in. Perhaps they suffer from an over-inflated opinion of their expertise? I just hope they don't try to blame others for their own failings. If they accepted a restrictive remit they made a huge blunder and have only themselves to blame.

They have been questioned twice by a police force which some would have us believe are vigorous in their questioning techniques and not revealed anything untoward. If SY have new information or questions then I would expect the PJ to happily cooperate, if they just want to have a go, then not.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Mr Gray

They have been questioned twice by a police force which some would have us believe are vigorous in their questioning techniques and not revealed anything untoward. If SY have new information or questions then I would expect the PJ to happily cooperate, if they just want to have a go, then not.

it seems SY want to question them further and the PJ have refused...a disgrace AFAIAC....

Offline G-Unit

you do realise your post is purely your opinion...I listen to SY because if you look at the evidence everything tehy say amkes sense...including being blocked by the portuguese...absolute sense

Which is your opinion.

Their account of crecheman didn't make sense.

They haven't said they have been blocked by the Portuguese, that's a rumour.

I've read the remit.

They agreed to bring their 'expertise' to the case.

A Home Office spokesman said: "The Prime Minister and the Home Secretary have today agreed with Sir Paul Stephenson that the Metropolitan Police will bring its particular expertise to this case."
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i would rather listen to SY...the involvement of the parents makes no logical sense......they have been ruled out as suspects...which leaves abduction as the most likely scenario

Peddle your mantra, come what may.

The burglary is dead in the water.

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you do realise your post is purely your opinion...I listen to SY because if you look at the evidence everything they say makes sense...including being blocked by the portuguese...absolute sense

It's a cliche, and it's pure rubbish.

Offline slartibartfast

it seems SY want to question them further and the PJ have refused...a disgrace AFAIAC....

So SY are fishing...
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Offline Mr Gray

So SY are fishing...

what we know for almost certain is that they are being blocked.Having spent 12 mill it's a disgrace if they are blocked. The question is ..as i have said several times...will they accept being blocked and walk away quietly or will political pressure be applied to force portugal to cooperate

stephen25000

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Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.
« Reply #100 on: April 29, 2016, 08:24:31 AM »
Now we have this in todays Daily Star

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/511619/Portuguese-minister-reveals-charge-Maddie-McCann-parents-compassion-abandonment-prosecutor

Portuguese minister reveals:


 We didn’t charge Maddie’s parents out of compassion

MADELEINE McCann’s parents escaped prosecution for leaving her in their holiday flat because of “compassion” from prosecutors.

   
   
   
   
   
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By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th April 2016

Rui Pereira and Maddie McCannPA

GRIEF: ‘Compassion’ stopped the McCanns facing ‘abandonment’ charge

Portuguese law chiefs also thought Brits had “peculiar customs” which allowed them to dine and drink without their children.

The revelations came from Rui Pereira, who was Portugal’s minister of internal affairs – the equivalent of the UK’s Home Secretary.

He told a Portuguese TV show it was an error not to make GP mum Kate, 48, and heart doctor dad Gerry, 47, suspects – or arguidos – for “abandonment”.





REVEALED: Mr Pereira revealed a charge was given some thought at the time
They left Madeleine, three, and her younger twin siblings in the apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz while they dined with pals in a nearby tapas bar on May 3, 2007.

Madeleine vanished that night and has not been seen since.

“The error was not constituting the parents as arguidos for the crime of abandonment”

Rui Pereira

Mr Pereira told Portuguese channel CMTV: “The error was not constituting the parents as arguidos for the crime of abandonment.

"At the beginning there was an extraordinary and ridiculous theory that said the English have very peculiar cultural customs.

“And therefore it was natural for them to leave the two-year-old twin siblings and the other three-year-old child alone in a bedroom for the parents to go out a few hundred metres away to socialise with their friends.’’

Mr Pereira revealed a charge was given some thought at the time. But he claimed the Portuguese authorities had an inferiority complex regarding foreigners.

They believed the English “truly have very specific cultural customs and it was natural to dine and drink”. There was also “compassion” from the investigators towards the parents.

Former police inspector Moita Flores, below, told the TV show he believed the couple would have been accused of abandonment if they had been Portuguese.

He said: “Have no doubts. If this had involved a Portuguese child our public ministry would have immediately set off measures which are in place to protect children.

“In our culture this kind of behaviour would have not been tolerated as reasonable. I am not even sure it is tolerated under Anglo-Saxon cultural values.’’

The McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, are aware they could have been jailed if found guilty of abandonment.



Spokesman Clarence Mitchell has said they vigorously denied neglecting Madeleine
But spokesman Clarence Mitchell has said they vigorously denied neglecting Madeleine.

WELL THEY WERE HARDLY GOING TO ADMIT THAT

A close friend said: “They were well aware that they could be charged with child neglect.

THAT CLICHE AGAIN.


“They’d have fought tooth and nail. In legal terms Kate and Gerry were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting....

YEAH RIGHT. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+


“A court would have to show they had wilfully neglected their daughter and they did not.’’

YES THEY DID. 5 NIGHTS IN A ROW.

The Metropolitan Police believe Madeleine was abducted after disturbing a burglar.


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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.
« Reply #101 on: April 29, 2016, 08:32:05 AM »
and we know that the alleged neglect gave the opportunity for maddie to be abducted

stephen25000

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Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.
« Reply #102 on: April 29, 2016, 08:33:10 AM »
and we know that the alleged neglect gave the opportunity for maddie to be abducted

No we don't.

Offline Benice

With respect, you would have absolutely no idea what a criminal would do.  Please get over the notion that burglars are normal people with normal reactions, some have committed terrible crimes including the abduction of children.

I totally agree.

I can't believe people are attempting to 'sanitize' burglars.     A quick google search shows the amount of people - (from young girls to OAPs in their nineties) who have been violently attacked - some within an inch of their lives by vicious, cowardly burglars.    Criminals who can do that are capable of anything IMO.

Victims of burglars all say the same  even if they were not attacked  - i.e. that they feel personally violated.  Some never get over it and never feel safe in their own homes again.

The idea that burglars are people who wouldn't dream of harming or even taking a child - even  if circumstances dictated that it was in their own selfiish interests to do so -  is unrealistic IMO. 


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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Re: The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.
« Reply #104 on: April 29, 2016, 08:36:06 AM »
So a Portuguese couple doing the same would have been arrested.

So the mccanns got away with a charge of abandonment and clearly had preferential temperate.