The Sun claims Madeleine McCann was kidnapped during a botched burglary.

[Benice]

What is your source for the interrupted burglary of Fenn apartment being in daytime Sadie?

I'm not sure that the actual time of this attempted burglary was ever stated.    IIRC it happened while Mrs Fenn was watching TV - so it could have been at any time during the day or evening.   

[pegasus]

I'm not sure that the actual time of this attempted burglary was ever stated.    IIRC it happened while Mrs Fenn was watching TV - so it could have been at any time during the day or evening.

IMO the entry attempts at 5G 5L and at a nearby ground floor apartment were probably all in darkness.
5L certainly was - it happened while the guests were out for dinner, just like 5A.

[pegasus]

If, as seems likely, the 5L entry after dark was through the window on the stairwell which is over a drop, this means it was probably a pair of burglars, one leaning out over the drop to perform the heri opening of shutter and window, the other holding them so they couldn't fall.

[jassi]

If, as seems likely, the 5L entry after dark was through the window on the stairwell which is over a drop, this means it was probably a pair of burglars, one leaning out over the drop to perform the heri opening of shutter and window, the other holding them so they couldn't fall.

You discount the idea of them being disguised as window cleaners and carrying a ladder, then ?

[pegasus]

You discount the idea of them being disguised as window cleaners and carrying a ladder, then ?

Yes. With two people, no ladder or window-cleaner disguise is needed. If you look at that 5L window in the stairwell area (and remember the bars were fitted only later) IMO it is possible to lean over from the railing on the left and use the heri method then climb in. This would be much easier and safer with an accomplice holding the person leaning over. So if entry was via that window, it was probably a pair of burglars, not a lone burglar.

[pegasus]

Just a reminder the method demonstrated by Heri is -
Raise shutter manually a few inches
Slide window open
Reach inside and operate strap to raise shutter fully.

[G-Unit]

Does no-one lock their windows in that town? There appear to be some reckless burglars too. Leaning over a drop to manipulate shutters? Would his mate have left him hanging if anyone came up the stairs? Did they close the window and exit by the door?

[jassi]

Does no-one lock their windows in that town? There appear to be some reckless burglars too. Leaning over a drop to manipulate shutters? Would his mate have left him hanging if anyone came up the stairs? Did they close the window and exit by the door?

Absolutely - what about a Risk Assessment? 

[pegasus]

At a nearby ground-floor apartment after burglary it is very interesting that a lounge window was found open. It's lounge windows are a bit high for a lone perp to reach, therefore probably it was a pair of burglars (leg up + heri method) IMO.

[pegasus]

Does no-one lock their windows in that town? (snip)

It's well documented in the T9 statements that some of the T9 thought that when a shutter is down there is no need to lock the window. The closed shutter psychologically creates the illusion that the opening is completely secure. In fact it is not. GM and KM both clearly state they did not lock windows before going out. Also DW states some windows were left unlocked in 5G. See also RO rog.

[pegasus]

(snip) ... Leaning over a drop to manipulate shutters? Would his mate have left him hanging if anyone came up the stairs? Did they close the window and exit by the door?

Look at the window in stairwell area (before bars fitted) and imagine you are two burglars and work it out step by step. IMO it would be risky to do alone but easy and safe for a pair, assuming they already know the opening technique. Yes before leaving IMO they probably closed that window and shutter and exit through non-deadlocked wooden door.

[Brietta]

Luis Rosa and Caterina Marques Rodrigues comment, in the Observador, newspaper of Portugal, about José Carlos da Silva, Ricardo Rodrigues and Paulo Ribeiro, who in July 2014 were declared arguidos (suspects) in the Madeleine case, according to journal Correio da Manhã of July 2, 2014.

According to the Observador, "the Polícia Judiciária considers that there is no evidence to incriminate the three suspects." On the other hand Portuguese journal Público reports that the Polícia Judiciária received no request from the British authorities to question again Jose Carlos, Ricardo and Paulo.

Officially rule out suspects who are known to the public is a good practice. Remember when Scotland Yard, officially through Andy Redwood, discarded the parents of Madeleine and their group of friends as suspects.

If José Carlos, Ricardo and Paulo are discarded in the investigation, authorities should make an official statement, as was done with the parents of Madeleine. It would be good for the three mentioned men, for their families, for their friends, and for all the people who know them.

And even if that were the case, that none of the three was involved in the abduction of Madeleine, I still think that the crime was a "burglary that went wrong".

It is right and proper that these men be officially ruled out if there is no evidence against them.

They and their families are known in their communities so it can't be easy for them to get on with their lives with this hanging over them.

If there has been no request from Scotland Yard to question them further ... why on earth are they still arguidos?

[jassi]

How long can people be kept as aguidos as it would appear to be close on 2 years since the start of their aguidoship.

[faithlilly]

It is right and proper that these men be officially ruled out if there is no evidence against them.

They and their families are known in their communities so it can't be easy for them to get on with their lives with this hanging over them.

If there has been no request from Scotland Yard to question them further ... why on earth are they still arguidos?

Are they still arguidos ?

[Brietta]

Are they still arguidos ?

Have you information which suggests they are not?