Author Topic: "We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.  (Read 190855 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

What evidence dave is there of abduction ?

You have never answered that one with anything vaguely resembling a cite.
As I started a whole thread on the subject it is pointless repeating anything
Abduction is proven on the balance of probabilities

stephen25000

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As I started a whole thread on the subject it is pointless repeating anything
Abduction is proven on the balance of probabilities

No it isn't.

When did you study statistics dave, particularly in respect of probability ?

Offline Eleanor

It is not possible to produce a Cite for anything that might have happened to Madeleine.  So please stop asking for the impossible.

In any event, I shall be deleting any further requests.

Offline Mr Gray

No it isn't.

When did you study statistics dave, particularly in respect of probability ?

The balance of probabilities is a legal term not a statistical term

stephen25000

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The balance of probabilities is a legal term not a statistical term

You clearly do not understand the statistical background to make predictions on probability.

Offline Mr Gray

You clearly do not understand the statistical background to make predictions on probability.

It's a legal term and I understand it
John has asked that you and I stop bickering... Rather than stop you are now bickering with two other posters as well
It's a good time to give it a rest

stephen25000

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It's a legal term and I understand it
John has asked that you and I stop bickering... Rather than stop you are now bickering with two other posters as well
It's a good time to give it a rest

Yes, please do.

Offline Benice

I'm sorry.  I don't see Jayne 'correcting' Russell before first interviews as the way to go.  It was the job of the PJ to detect and sort out any conflicts, not the T9.

I'd have the same issue if any other cohesive group got together and sorted out what they were going to say, in advance of interviews.  I seem to remember at least one dog team did that, and produced statements that are worded nearly identically.  Is that how it is supposed to work?  Not for me.

And some of the very odd times we've got from staff.  Should those staff members have got together in advance to work out the collective tale?  Again, not for me.

I got assaulted once (very minor).  The first thing the police did was to separate me from my partner so they got independent statements from both of us.

I don't agree that they were sorting out what they were going to say.   They were doing their utmost to establish as accurately as possible their movements to and from their apartments to give to the police.    The best way to to that was to pool their individual recollections.    That can also result in someone having their memory jogged  simply by something another person might say.

Any idea that they were colluding is daft IMO as they were doing this in front of a policeman - and immediately handed him the written timeline when they'd finished it - which suggests to me that he was waiting for it.   Would you hand the evidence of your collusion on a plate to a policeman?

Being assaulted (sorry about that btw) is a completely different scenario and there is no comparison imo  - unless the timeline was as important in your case as it was in this one.   



 
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

stephen25000

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I don't agree that they were sorting out what they were going to say.   They were doing their utmost to establish as accurately as possible their movements to and from their apartments to give to the police.    The best way to to that was to pool their individual recollections.    That can also result in someone having their memory jogged  simply by something another person might say.

Any idea that they were colluding is daft IMO as they were doing this in front of a policeman - and immediately handed him the written timeline when they'd finished it - which suggests to me that he was waiting for it.   Would you hand the evidence of your collusion on a plate to a policeman?

Being assaulted (sorry about that btw) is a completely different scenario and there is no comparison imo  - unless the timeline was as important in your case as it was in this one.   

Benice, we have been constantly told the mccanns and co., were panicking.

So how could they sit down and write down their timelines coherently ?

Offline Mr Gray

I don't agree that they were sorting out what they were going to say.   They were doing their utmost to establish as accurately as possible their movements to and from their apartments to give to the police.    The best way to to that was to pool their individual recollections.    That can also result in someone having their memory jogged  simply by something another person might say.

Any idea that they were colluding is daft IMO as they were doing this in front of a policeman - and immediately handed him the written timeline when they'd finished it - which suggests to me that he was waiting for it.   Would you hand the evidence of your collusion on a plate to a policeman?

Being assaulted (sorry about that btw) is a completely different scenario and there is no comparison imo  - unless the timeline was as important in your case as it was in this one.   
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Totally agree
In the case of an assault the statement may well be the only piece of evidence and in that case independent statements would be vital
Again basic detective work...very basic

Offline G-Unit

Benice, we have been constantly told the mccanns and co., were panicking.

So how could they sit down and write down their timelines coherently ?

Why is the question. How did they think it could help?
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Totally agree
In the case of an assault the statement may well be the only piece of evidence and in that case independent statements would be vital
Again basic detective work...very basic

They were, we were told repeatedly, in a state of panic. So how could they think rationally ?

Offline Mr Gray

Why is the question. How did they think it could help?

Read your own signature

Offline pegasus

There is no evidence that the child left the apartment (by any means, in any state) between 8.30pm and 10pm.

Offline mercury

There is no evidence that the child left the apartment (by any means, in any state) between 8.30pm and 10pm.

If you believe the witnessses to be honest, then you are proposng a post 10pm removal? By who?