"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[ShiningInLuz]

it is blindingly obvious ...based on the evidence taht the McCanns are not involved and are the victims of an evil crime...anyone who cannot see that has poor analytical skills in my opinion

There is no evidence that the McCanns are not involved.  OG has a remit not to investigate the MCanns, which is different.  The Oporto team appears to have said that the McCanns are not being investigated, for whatever reason.

But not being investigated and evidence of non-involvement are two different things.

[ShiningInLuz]

I don't agree that they were sorting out what they were going to say.   They were doing their utmost to establish as accurately as possible their movements to and from their apartments to give to the police.    The best way to to that was to pool their individual recollections.    That can also result in someone having their memory jogged  simply by something another person might say.

Any idea that they were colluding is daft IMO as they were doing this in front of a policeman - and immediately handed him the written timeline when they'd finished it - which suggests to me that he was waiting for it.   Would you hand the evidence of your collusion on a plate to a policeman?

Being assaulted (sorry about that btw) is a completely different scenario and there is no comparison imo  - unless the timeline was as important in your case as it was in this one.   

I am not saying you accused of saying 'collusion'.  But for the avoidance of doubt I did not.  I said I find it odd, which is quite a different statement.

[ShiningInLuz]

What is your opinion of the little gate on the right as you descend the steps Shining?

Sorry, you've lost me.  Little gate on the right of what steps?

[misty]

I am not saying you accused of saying 'collusion'.  But for the avoidance of doubt I did not.  I said I find it odd, which is quite a different statement.

 Kevin Wells, father of one of the murdered Soham girls, published a book in 2005 of those events. It was written to the timeline and it is highly possible that one of the Tapas group had read this book & remembered the importance of a timeline. Given the added difficulty of the language barrier & speed of information being of the essence, I do not see how what the group did could be considered odd in any way.

[pegasus]

Sorry, you've lost me.  Little gate on the right of what steps?

You said you visited the Smith sighting location with Heri. I mean the little gate on the right as you descend the steps from there.

[Brietta]

You said you visited the Smith sighting location with Heri. I mean the little gate on the right as you descend the steps from there.

Is that the gate giving access to the (derelict? run down? in 2007) villa?

[sadie]

i always picture maddie crying  for  70 minutes which mrs fenn   heard  and that  alone shows bad parenting in itself imo

Trouble is Carly, no-body knows whose child was crying.

If it were Madeleine crying for a prolonged time all three of them would have joined in.  I dont believe that she would have cried for any length of time without getting up and waking the other two up.

Can you imagine the din with all three crying for a long time?


Please don't forget that there were other children close by in the block.  Mrs Fenn was quite ancient and likely partially deaf. 

I am fairly ancient and partially deaf too, and I never know which direction noise comes from

[mercury]

Trouble is Carly, no-body knows whose child was crying.

If it were Madeleine crying for a prolonged time all three of them would have joined in.  I dont believe that she would have cried for any length of time without getting up and waking the other two up.

Can you imagine the din with all three crying for a long time?


Please don't forget that there were other children close by in the block.  Mrs Fenn was quite ancient and likely partially deaf. 

I am fairly ancient and partially deaf too, and I never know which direction noise comes from

Another attempt to discreidit mrs fenns statement

[sadie]

Three toddlers left alone in an unsecured flat and all the dangers possible was a very very serious lack of judgement, the others in the group werent much better, leaving sick kids alone though they had the wherewithall to lock their doors, so them escaping and hurting themselves at least wasnt an option,  but we have said all this a mllion tmes

The only unlocked door in the Mccanns apartment was through the patio doors.  The whole patio area was flooded with light and was only 50 metres from where the Tapas group sat eating.   Amaral insisted that no intruder would attempt to enter the appartment when it was so overlooked by the Tapas friends.

So I think we can rule your thoughts on that one out, dont you?

[mercury]

The only unlocked door in the Mccanns apartment was through the patio doors.  The whole patio area was flooded with light and was only 50 metres from where the Tapas group sat eating.   Amaral insisted that no intruder would attempt to enter the appartment when it was so overlooked by the Tapas friends.

So I think we can rule your thoughts on that one out, dont you?

No
3 toddlers left alone is always dangerous
its also criminal imo
Anyone who condones it is supporting child endangerment IMO of course!!!!

[pegasus]

No
3 toddlers left alone is always dangerous (snip)

Mr Panama Hat Bowtie And Braces Barrister Man said it was responsible parenting Mercury.

[ShiningInLuz]

You said you visited the Smith sighting location with Heri. I mean the little gate on the right as you descend the steps from there.

No, that was not part of the agenda tonight.

Could you kindly spit it out what is your point of interest?  The reason I am requesting this is that Heri is here for one more day today (Wed 4 May 2016) then treks off back to Madrid early tomorrow.  If all you want is my input, please let me know and I will be happy to oblige.

If you prefer more input, we currently have a plan to focus on something else today.  So if you want Heri's input, you need to be quick about it.

[mercury]

Mr Panama Hat Bowtie And Braces Barrister Man said it was responsible parenting Mercury.

No one worth any salt would give a shit about their dire "Opinions"

[pegasus]

@Shining, it is of no importance, hope you have an enjoyable and productive day, I bet you and Heri have a better knowledge of the terrain than all the Op Grange SIOs put together.

[pegasus]

No one worth any salt would give a shit about their dire "Opinions"

If it's possible to have negative weights of salt, I think almost everyone here would agree to value Mr Panama Hat's learned opinion at about minus ten million metric tonnes.