"We must reconstruct Maddie’s fateful night" says former Portuguese police chief.

[pegasus]

If Madeleine and Sean had cried on Wednesday night (the 2nd) then Rachael Oldfield would have heard them  from next door - as she stayed in that night. (snip)

Really Benice I am surprised that you dismiss a very clear statement by the most important witness of all who said indisputably that the crying was on Wednesday night.

It's clear that the girl got out of bed and walked out of her bedroom and was crying in the lounge next to the ajar balcony door, this crying location was not audible to a sleeping RO in 5B bedroom, but was audible in the 5G lounge which is directly above.

[pegasus]

That's an assumption, no-one has said that was why they did it.

Good point G-Unit, the proposed reconstruction needs an exact definition of what it's aim is.
I suggest it's aim is defined as
"To work out what time the child physically left the apartment"

[Mr Gray]

Herein lies the secret of always being right.
The verb has neither subject nor defined object 

read it context and you might just understand what it refers to

[Brietta]

Really Benice I am surprised that you dismiss a very clear statement by the most important witness of all who said indisputably that the crying was on Wednesday night.

It's clear that the girl got out of bed and walked out of her bedroom and was crying in the lounge next to the ajar balcony door, this crying location was not audible to a sleeping RO in 5B bedroom, but was audible in the 5G lounge which is directly above.

I don't think it is at all clear that is what happened just as I don't think Mrs Fenn's statement is at all clear about events which may or may not have happened four months previously.

[Mr Gray]

How do you know with any degree of certainty they are not that final lead that Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe says is being followed ?

Because I have followed the case since day one.....and everything I have seen a read contradicts that..

[stephen25000]

I don't think it is at all clear that is what happened just as I don't think Mrs Fenn's statement is at all clear about events which may or may not have happened four months previously.

Mrs. Fenn had no axe to grind and no reason to lie either.


She merely wanted to help.

[pegasus]

I don't think it is at all clear that is what happened just as I don't think Mrs Fenn's statement is at all clear about events which may or may not have happened four months previously.

One thing is very clear Brietta - the crying was on Wednesday night.
Listen to the most important witness - who says the crying was on Wednesday night.
The most important statement was not made four months after the event.
It was made only eight hours after, when the recollection was still fresh and accurate.

[Brietta]

Mrs. Fenn had no axe to grind and no reason to lie either.


She merely wanted to help.

Mrs Fenn gave a statement four months down the line.  She does not appear to have been asked any questions to clarify or expand on anything within that statement with the attendant result that her statement is rendered meaningless.

What value is contained in Mrs Fenn's statement to a reconstruction of Mr Amaral's "fateful night"? ... absolutely none.

[Brietta]

One thing is very clear Brietta - the crying was on Wednesday night.
Listen to the most important witness - who says the crying was on Wednesday night.
The most important statement was not made four months after the event.
It was made only eight hours after, when the recollection was still fresh and accurate.

One does not equate to the other.

[Alice Purjorick]

Because I have followed the case since day one.....and everything I have seen a read contradicts that..

That is a sweeping generalistion.
If you want the sailors to believe it try giving some specific examples of what you have seen and read otherwise it is best you tell it to the marines.

[pegasus]

One does not equate to the other.

Surely you are not disputing the accuracy of the statement made by the child herself, just eight hours later, that the crying was on the Wednesday night.

[Mr Gray]

That is a sweeping generalistion.
If you want the sailors to believe it try giving some specific examples of what you have seen and read otherwise it is best you tell it to the marines.

If I was to produce the abductor....who admitted being responsible...the sailors here would cry patsy

[Eleanor]

If I was to produce the abductor....who admitted being responsible...the sailors here would cry patsy

This of course, is obvious.

[pegasus]

(snip)....went home ahead of Kate ...(snip)

Yes you are correct Benice. And what time was that?

[Brietta]

Surely you are not disputing the accuracy of the statement made by the child herself, just eight hours later, that the crying was on the Wednesday night.

I am surely not.